People Power

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Originally Posted by chuck34

Again, not putting words into his mouth ... But perhaps he just sees his parents as simple failures. Perhaps he doesn't need to blame anyone other than them. Not wanting to disrespect his parents or anything like that, just offering one possibility.

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Of course, though the application of 'blame' in such circumstances I find problematic.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Who said government doesn't have to be involved?

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You did.

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Originally Posted by ioan

it's about a system that will not need governments giving food for free

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Exactly.

ioan, we may sometimes have some vehement disagreements, but I genuinely applaud your sense of social conscience.

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Thanks. I used to have rather polarizing views, and in some aspects of life I still have them (as we know :) ) however lots of things happen in life that change one's views bit by bit.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Who said government doesn't have to be involved?

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Originally Posted by chuck34

You did.

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Originally Posted by ioan

it's about a system that will not need governments giving food for free

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Because governments only hand out free food?!

You are bending reality too much there.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

No, no, no. You are reading into our views what you wish to read into them. Hardly at all has it been accurate. All I have been saying is that I want to see the gap between richest and poorest narrowing, something which does not, I have to tell you, have to entail making the rich poorer. And even that only concerns those whose sole obsession is money, of whom there appear to be several here.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Such laws are generally enacted on the basis of governments wanting to be 'business-friendly'. Or they are not properly enforced.

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That was exactly my point. Government has set up the system that allows for corporations to pay little or no tax. They would be foolish to pay more. And the people at Occupy Wall Street have their anger misplaced. It should be directed at D.C. and the politicians that have allowed this system to be.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Do you not believe in taking personal responsibility? If you do, you should also feel that these corporations should take responsibility for their failure to pay as much as they should, and do the decent thing.

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I do believe strongly in personal resonsibilty.

"failure to pay as much as they should". According to who? According to the law, they payed exactly as much as they should have. That is except for Warren Buffett (one of the world's richest men, and one of the loudest voices advocating for taxing the rich), he is apparently about $1Billion behind in his legal obligation to pay taxes, and he's fighting that in court. Funny that. :D

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Originally Posted by ioan

I would say that they are 'taking advantage of legislation enacted by governments that happen to' be made for them. And this is the problem. They can buy pretty much anyone in order to suit their agendas and I hope it isn't to late to stop this, before their stronghold on the legislative will not be to strong for anything but war to change it.

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What is wrong with the voting population demading a change at the ballot box?

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Originally Posted by chuck34

You did.

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Am I alone in thinking that ioan meant to write 'Who said government has to be involved'?

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Originally Posted by ioan

Because governments only hand out free food?!

You are bending reality too much there.

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If you talking about charities, I'm all for them. I personally donate heavily to them. Many of the "hated rich" do as well. So again why protest Wall Street?

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Originally Posted by chuck34

What is wrong with the voting population demading a change at the ballot box?

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Let's see. What are the chances to have someone on the list that is better than what they have now?
Or to put it clearer, what are the chances for the rotten political parties to propose candidates that will actually do what is right for the many and not only for the few they are part of?
The chances are slim to zero.