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I find it very telling that Ecclestone has been so willing to cosy up to someone who was basically a convicted criminal. Big believer in rehabilitation, is he? To how many non-wealthy individuals found guilty of a serious crime and given a jail sentence would he extend the same friendship?
Still he was more than good in GP2, only 2nd to a certain Hamilton. It looks to me that he was good enough to be in GP2 not like someone who struggled to get there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robinho
Than again him doing well in GP2 is a fact while, please allow me to quote you, 'to think he probably would have struggled to even make GP2 without some of the underhand goings on back there, let alone the budget his team was running on compared to the others' is just a wild assumption.
actually , I would agree with Ioan...my first recollection of piquet jr has been the GP2 season in which he gave Hamilton quite a good fight.
but then I suppose i'll have to read up on his escapades on the SA F3 championship though...thanks for the headsup @ Robinho :)
How good you are in other motorsports sometimes is irrelevant. Bourdais was good in F3000, Champ Car, Le Mans and now in Superleague, but...
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before so apologies if I'm repeating something that's already been covered...
It seems that at the time of the crash there was already a suspicion that NP Jnr had deliberately crashed his car. It also seems that the telemetry supports this point of view. So... since the telemetry must have been available to the FIA at that time and since there were already doubts about whether this was an accident, how come the FIA didn't investigate at the time? Was this a deliberate 'sweeping under the carpet' by the FIA? Or did they have to wait until allegations had been made?
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you have missed my point (for a change), being that there were some decidedly fishy things going on in the Piquet camp, which have led me to be unsurprised that Piquet was a willing participant in this.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
to have reached GP2, raced as well as he did then and then made it to F1, even if he looked pretty weak most of the time when he did, proves he is undoubtedley a decent and quicj driver - all i was saying is that perhaps he was a bit fortunate to have got picked up and been able to prove his pace in GP2 when you look back at how he made his name before that. and of course, no-one gets anywhere without a bucketload of cash in this business whether its your own or someone elses, but there were things not exactly of a level playing field in his earlier career so i won't feel too bad for the guy now he is bleating on about the treatment he's received.
also being 2nd to Hamilton might not say back if the rest of the field were no good - he was close to Hamilton then and is now not even classed in the same field by most i would think, given that no-one was rushing to sign him before, during or after Renault
You forgot to say that the Renault was as fast as the McLaren last season and this season and also jr has been the number one driver at renault just like Lewis at McLaren.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robinho
Sarcasm aside he got Renaults first podium finish last season while Alonso was busy spinning out in the midfield. But I suppose that some people are set to only bring up the negatives, so I'll be happy to provide some balance. :)
podium earned - thanks to a safety car!Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
if you think Piquet, Singapore-gate aside, has done enough to warrant a place in F1 then great, but i have seen nothing to suggest that myself. he has crashed or spun at most races to the point it has become a running joke and all the time whilst not being close to the same pace as his teammate 95% of the time.
perhaps you have a point with the number 1 thing - Piquet has had his own team pretty much all his career, so not used to the pressure to perform in that respect, and i agree Flav has not always been the easiest to drive for, but you'd expect at least glimpses of talent that would single him out for an extended F1 career.
so we have a crash prone, not quick enough, mentally fragile and willing to cheat for negatives and was quick enough to come 2nd in GP2 and decent enough to get an F1 drive as positives - is that balanced enough for you! ;)
yeah, piquet benefitted from Glocks crash to come out from the safety car in 2nd behind Hamilton, but Hamilton hadn't pitted and had to pit shortly after and retook Massa and Piquet to win. Piquet did not give much of a fight, but it is difficult to resist a much faster car on that track (so why we don't go there every year i don't know, seeing as overtaking isn't just possible, its likely!)Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
By far Piquets best result, and although he lucked into teh position thanks to the safety car, was able to be quick enough and not crash to keep it. it was the only time i'd say he looked like he belonged in F1 long term
http://api.ning.com/files/2D12wzLl5-...n_facepalm.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by hmmm - donuts
Basically, your post is #786, so I would say "yeah!" ; chances are that there may have been a little discussion on these and other events. Here's the summary of events from Autosport: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78682