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Now that KK is the prime owner, still, it's dictatorship. If there's someone who can turn the series around it would have to be one of the owner of the teams in Champ Car or former teams who are now in IRL. Just makes me wonder why they never got themselves involved of purchasing the series instead of heading to IRL.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlatChatRacer
Me too. But by Long Beach 09 and still no changes.....I'd pick #2.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlatChatRacer
And the band plays on ..............Quote:
Originally Posted by indycool
Umm, if you recall, they DID own part of the series and they all divested themselves of that ownership to cash in BEFORE they went to the IRL. The three Amigos were originally what, 18 or so "amigos", although not all of them were exactly friendly all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cart750hp
Why not divest oneself of a venture that is losing money? I think the consensus is pretty universal, no matter if you hate/love either side, that the "Amigos" keep everything afloat via deep pockets.
EDIT: And on the other front, via nanders... If they just flat merge, straight out, potential future fans are going to have a world of fun trying to get past the venom and hate people would be screaming at each other, from stuff all the way back to 1979, nevermind just 1996.
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Originally Posted by Wraith
Oh please, you have to be kidding about the 1979 bit. From 1990 to right before the split when was there EVER a cross word spoken about the "stuff all the way back to 1979"? Without a doubt there will be some venom that would linger about the split, but over time even that will fade. And to be honest, I think 99.99% of that will be reserved for "...king George" himself. I know I harbor no ill will over the split with any of the teams, owners or drivers. I also know that that sentiment is NOT shared by all the folks who lined up on the CART side of the split.
Gary
According to you and many others, CC is worthless -- if I were to believe most of the negative diatribe posted on the world wide blog, that is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cart750hp
When we look at the situation from a business perspective, the rebuilding process has taken longer than most expected. Also its safe to assume the Champ Car principals anticipated much less resistence in getting US-based open wheel racing repositioned in the motorsports market. Meanwhile, they have invested an incredible amount of money in not keeping the series from folding, but more importantly they are creating a bankable foundation for the future.
The good news is the Champ Car Atlantic Championship has passed the litmus test and proof the foundation in progress is good for open wheel racing fans and drivers wishing to develop their skills. Two Mansell lads on the CCAC grid in 2008 is further evidence to just how far the development series has come in just 3 years.
Yes, Champ Car will answer the bell in 2008! The circumstances are also there for a corporate White Knight to make his move and it won't be Tony George.
It has not been a rebuilding, it has been a redesigning in a European image. I'll get back to you on this when some ovals appear on the schedule. 4 ovals sound pretty good.Quote:
Originally Posted by pits4me
IMO, it's just been a fast change from U.S. street courses to an international focus on permanent road courses.
At another location I heard it stated directly that "the whole idea..." of a certain form of...'logic'...they were using...was "...to get Indycar racing back to being the supreme class of midget and sprint car racing." The logic in question involved the abolition of the wings, rear-engined cars in entirety, and several other "purifications" they apparently "demanded" if they were going to stay interested in open-wheel.Quote:
Originally Posted by garyshell
Off and on in these sorts of discussions, mention was regularly made to "Dan Gurney and the other cronies," and their presentation of the White Paper to USAC as destroying what they felt to be what was good in American open-wheel racing. I.e., the establishment of CART being, for them, something they sought the negation of, henceforth from that moment. These people furthermore had apparently come to believe that Tony George had betrayed "the vision" of American open-wheel racing "by Americans, and FOR Americans" (...only?) in favor of more internationalist ("derned feriner"), CARTish views.
The irrational individuals in question do exist, I have exchanged messages with them on forums such as this.
In completely other news, some of us favor an exact 50/50 split between road/street courses and ovals in any theoretical united series, so as to work against either side feeling short-changed...just with the proviso that they aren't boa-constrictive and heinous to drive a race car on, like Belle Isle.
Hail far son, that's the perfect set up of an US vs Them battle! :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wraith