People Power

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Originally Posted by chuck34

I know this isn't necessarily directed at me, but I'll answer anyway.

Hell no, it's not fair. But it (going to bed hungry) sure is a d@mn good motivator. It motivated him to better himself through education and hard work, so that neither he nor his family ever had to go hungry again. What would his motivation be to improve himself if the government just gave him and his family food? He very well may have had some motivation, but to say that it would have been as strong as it is, is foolish.

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This is not about giving food for free, it's about a system that will not need governments giving food for free. How can you achieve that when 20% of the worlds population gets 80% of the revenue? You can't.

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Originally Posted by ioan

I don't want anything, in fact I am paying taxes approx 50% of my salary month after month.

My problem is with the rich and teh corporations who manage to pay close to nothing taxes year after year after year. They are taking from the society and not giving back anything. This has to stop.

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Well said, and I would pretty much agree.

But answer this then. Those corporations that are paying nothing, are they breaking any laws, or are they taking advantage of legislation enacted by governments that happen to benifit them?

I suggest that perhaps those in Occupy Wall Street are occupying the wrong street. They might want to try Pennsylvania Ave. Or maybe instead of Zuccotti Park they should camp out on Capital Hill. Hmmm.... something to think about maybe?

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Originally Posted by chuck34

I know this isn't necessarily directed at me, but I'll answer anyway.

Hell no, it's not fair. But it (going to bed hungry) sure is a d@mn good motivator. It motivated him to better himself through education and hard work, so that neither he nor his family ever had to go hungry again. What would his motivation be to improve himself if the government just gave him and his family food? He very well may have had some motivation, but to say that it would have been as strong as it is, is foolish.

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To look at it another way, I'm surprised the subject of ioan's post doesn't apply his free market principles across the board, and consider his parents failures for having not been able to provide for him. I wonder what stopped them from being able to do so.

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Originally Posted by ioan

This is not about giving food for free, it's about a system that will not need governments giving food for free. How can you achieve that when 20% of the worlds population gets 80% of the revenue? You can't.

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So how do you propose to change that ratio without using government?

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Originally Posted by ioan

This is not about giving food for free, it's about a system that will not need governments giving food for free. How can you achieve that when 20% of the worlds population gets 80% of the revenue? You can't.

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It's about how a kid who had a difficult life should remember where he started of and try to make the world better not only get himself in the position of the new rich guy at the top.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

So how do you propose to change that ratio without using government?

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Who said government doesn't have to be involved?

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Originally Posted by chuck34

But answer this then. Those corporations that are paying nothing, are they breaking any laws, or are they taking advantage of legislation enacted by governments that happen to benifit them?

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Such laws are generally enacted on the basis of governments wanting to be 'business-friendly'. Or they are not properly enforced.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

I suggest that perhaps those in Occupy Wall Street are occupying the wrong street. They might want to try Pennsylvania Ave. Or maybe instead of Zuccotti Park they should camp out on Capital Hill. Hmmm.... something to think about maybe?

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Do you not believe in taking personal responsibility? If you do, you should also feel that these corporations should take responsibility for their failure to pay as much as they should, and do the decent thing.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

Well said, and I would pretty much agree.

But answer this then. Those corporations that are paying nothing, are they breaking any laws, or are they taking advantage of legislation enacted by governments that happen to benifit them?

I suggest that perhaps those in Occupy Wall Street are occupying the wrong street. They might want to try Pennsylvania Ave. Or maybe instead of Zuccotti Park they should camp out on Capital Hill. Hmmm.... something to think about maybe?

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I would say that they are 'taking advantage of legislation enacted by governments that happen to' be made for them. And this is the problem. They can buy pretty much anyone in order to suit their agendas and I hope it isn't to late to stop this, before their stronghold on the legislative will not be to strong for anything but war to change it.

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Originally Posted by ioan

They can buy pretty much anyone in order to suit their agendas

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Exactly.

ioan, we may sometimes have some vehement disagreements, but I genuinely applaud your sense of social conscience.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

To look at it another way, I'm surprised the subject of ioan's post doesn't apply his free market principles across the board, and consider his parents failures for having not been able to provide for him. I wonder what stopped them from being able to do so.

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Again, not putting words into his mouth ... But perhaps he just sees his parents as simple failures. Perhaps he doesn't need to blame anyone other than them. Not wanting to disrespect his parents or anything like that, just offering one possibility.