Max Mosley opens a can of worms.

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Originally Posted by Tazio

There may be an attempt to discredit Max. Like you, I don't know British Civil Law.
However, In the U.S.of A. that information would not be specific enough to this case.
You may be the biggest crook in the world, but that is irrelevant to damages for invasion of privacy.
It may affect the amount of the settlement, but thats not what Max is after!
In fact I believe The question that you and everyone else wants answered is:
Is there enough dirt to stop this corporally whacked Barrister from following through with this trial,
and specifcally what is it? If there is, than I guess we won't get the specifics
Nothing would surprise me at this point however!

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That "You may be the biggest crook in the world, but that is irrelevant to damages for invasion of privacy." would depend on what damages are available under brit law, for example is it mental anquish for being held up to public riducule, public disclosure of embarrassing private information or publicity which puts him/her in a false light to the public. He seems to be saying that he did not do any nazi stuff, he was presented in a false light so he alleges?

That would seem to open up all sorts of doors, would it not?.

But what is the correct "light" for comparing the before and after?

Further such evidence might well be available for impeachment, and in the good old USA, such evidence comes in all the time, often with a limiting instruction that the jury only consider the fact that you are a crook, but that merely being a crook does not mean you were not damaged. Well, the judge can limit it all he wants but damage done cause the evidence is now in that the victim is not so innocent


Plus it might well be admissible on his vague allegations of some sort of set up or entrapment, as to his state of mind. You did it because you been getting away with so much other stuff, you have lost the fear of getting caught

Hard to argue damages, when he never lost his job.....

But as you say, "Is there enough dirt to stop this corporally whacked Barrister from following through with this trial,
and specifcally what is it? If there is, than I guess we won't get the specifics
Nothing would surprise me at this point however!",, Well if Max is going to prove anything as to damages and so forth, he will have to testify, and if the proper predicate be laid, then all sorts of stuff can leak in during cross exam.

OTOH, perhaps we shall also learn the person who may have put the dogs on old Max's trail, resulting in all of this. Was it some PI firm hired by Mac, or was it bern, or was it ?????????? Whoever it is, will get a big black eye, and has helped pull the sport into disrepute over some private shenigans that should have had nothing to do with the public

Fair enough! Let's see how it plays out. Then I'll get back to you!

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Originally Posted by markabilly

That "You may be the biggest crook in the world, but that is irrelevant to damages for invasion of privacy." would depend on what damages are available under brit law, for example is it mental anquish for being held up to public riducule, public disclosure of embarrassing private information or publicity which puts him/her in a false light to the public. He seems to be saying that he did not do any nazi stuff, he was presented in a false light so he alleges?

That would seem to open up all sorts of doors, would it not?.

But what is the correct "light" for comparing the before and after?

Further such evidence might well be available for impeachment, and in the good old USA, such evidence comes in all the time, often with a limiting instruction that the jury only consider the fact that you are a crook, but that merely being a crook does not mean you were not damaged. Well, the judge can limit it all he wants but damage done cause the evidence is now in that the victim is not so innocent


Plus it might well be admissible on his vague allegations of some sort of set up or entrapment, as to his state of mind. You did it because you been getting away with so much other stuff, you have lost the fear of getting caught

Hard to argue damages, when he never lost his job.....

But as you say, "Is there enough dirt to stop this corporally whacked Barrister from following through with this trial,
and specifcally what is it? If there is, than I guess we won't get the specifics
Nothing would surprise me at this point however!",, Well if Max is going to prove anything as to damages and so forth, he will have to testify, and if the proper predicate be laid, then all sorts of stuff can leak in during cross exam.

OTOH, perhaps we shall also learn the person who may have put the dogs on old Max's trail, resulting in all of this. Was it some PI firm hired by Mac, or was it bern, or was it ?????????? Whoever it is, will get a big black eye, and has helped pull the sport into disrepute over some private shenigans that should have had nothing to do with the public

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Alrighty then! :p : The trial is under way, and is going the way these things generally do. Max is pressing on!( no surprise to me) Although the defense hasn't had a chance to present it's side, or cross examine these participants. The evidence looks damning to this impartial observer! I'm stll waiting



"We were constantly laughing and we enjoy what we do – it's like children playing cowboys and Indians. It's adults playing, having fun," Woman A said.

"Afterwards, it's the best feeling in the world. It's a natural high and the endorphins kick in whether you are giving it or receiving it. It's as if you've just run a marathon."

Woman A, who is to face cross-examination this afternoon, said there was never any suggestion of a Nazi theme.

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She said she was shocked that the article appeared in the News of the World and that Woman E had been the informant.

Woman B's voice cracked and she started crying as she said: "I was horrified, I didn't believe anyone in the scene would do something like that. One thing we always try is to make sure everything remains private."

She added that the role play had a prison setting rather than a military one and the laughter on the video showed no one was taking it too seriously.

"Grotesque? I don't think so," Woman B told the court.

"It may not be everyone's cup of tea but it's something I enjoy in the privacy of my own space.

"Brutal? Certainly not. We never get any permanent markings or anything like that."

Woman D said she was not always paid for attending Mosley's parties, adding that she was not "financially dependent" on Mosley or men like him, since she was completing a PhD and received a tax-free stipend of £14,000.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008...d=networkfront

btw this is a court transcript, in case someone feels the need to attack the source.

Mark your on the ropes on this one, taking a standing 8 count! :D

Oh my word! :eek: This does not bode well for the NoW!

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Myler told the court the News of the World would consider it justifiable to film Mosley having an S&M sex orgy with five prostitutes even if there had not been the alleged Nazi dimension.

He accepted that it was an invasion of privacy to secretly film someone having sex, adding that it had happened to him personally and he had not liked it, but said it was justified in a matter of great public interest."

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You've got four of the five women, plus Max testifying that not only was it not a N@zi theme, but considered it to be just a harmless night of getting their rocks off.

I am now prepared to take sig bets on the disposition of this case!

At least Max has "accepted that, as a trustee of the FIA, he had a formal duty to avoid any appearance of improper behaviour."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle4289840.ece

Nazi conotations or not this whole court case is bad for the FIA and by its association to F1 can't be good.

Max has dragged this out for his family and the FIA, and has shown no consideration to others but himself. Thats is what sickens me the most about this. When is he going to do the right thing and just leave the public eye and his job with the news of the world, then he can carry on doing what the hell he likes......

We don't need this associated to any sport. Its bad enough he got caught, whats worse is his fight to make it seem less than it was.....and it was not good for his reputation or any one associated with him. Wish he would do the decent thing and leave.

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Originally Posted by MAX_THRUST

Max has dragged this out for his family and the FIA, and has shown no consideration to others but himself. Thats is what sickens me the most about this. When is he going to do the right thing and just leave the public eye and his job with the news of the world, then he can carry on doing what the hell he likes......

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I do recall someone saying Max relishes conflict. As a former barrister it seems he is relishing this court case rather than considering the wider implications.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

I do recall someone saying Max relishes conflict. As a former barrister it seems he is relishing this court case rather than considering the wider implications.

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I suppose that if someone publicized your sexual life as having Nazi connotations you would rather go and hide instead of trying to clear your name and uphold your reputation?! :rolleyes:

Everyone talks from the point of view of someone who isn't touched by the events.
Try and put yourself in his position, let's see what you would do.

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Originally Posted by ioan

I suppose that if someone publicized your sexual life as having Nazi connotations you would rather go and hide instead of trying to clear your name and uphold your reputation?! :rolleyes:

Everyone talks from the point of view of someone who isn't touched by the events.
Try and put yourself in his position, let's see what you would do.

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I have never argued that Max does not have the right to defend himself in court.

Clearly, the Max Mrs Mosely sees before her now aint the guy she married!

Does ANYONE think it right to hide dirty secrets from your wife/partner? And his Kids! If he feels hard done by because this came out, there is a real simple rule of thumb...

Dont fecking do it in the first place! Numpty!

What about the Aryan race then? Oh, no, didn't hear or remember that guvn'or. How frightfully convenient is that then?

WHo has all the integrity now then.

Plus the £35k for the hooker (they are not hookers! :laugh :) and the all expenses trips to Monaco.

All this appropriate behaviour of the FIA president is it?

Off with his knackers I say! :D