You are probably right. In recent years I haven't been following this championship as close as I used to.
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You are probably right. In recent years I haven't been following this championship as close as I used to.
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
Pictures of today's scruteneering service in Ciocco ;)
http://www.rallylink.it/diretteweb/inde ... -immagini/
SS1 Ciocco on the way NOW !!! :cool:
GO UCCI :bounce:
http://rally.ficr.it/
Scandola 5.6 secs faster than Ucci on first stage.
And Basso over 12 secs faster than Ucci. Go Giandomenico!
Ucci :| ;(
I'm disappointed over Ucci's pace....Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiat-131-Abarth
Maybe it is the pace of the car (although it is a Peugeot ;-))Quote:
Originally Posted by Ucci
what an utter disgrace for PSA :bounce:
What's going on?! A gas car is leading the Italian Championship?! I can't believe my eyes!
Ok, we should not be unfair and do not after six stages blame Peugeot for this ''embarrassing disaster''. Although I'm concerned about 208 R5 pace, because reading Andreucci's comments after each stage he is not mentioning any kind of problems-quote ''tutto bene''. Maybe Andreucci is deliberately not pushing the car to its limit, who knows...On the other hand it is clear as a bright day that he would be much faster with old 207 S2000. Just look the times of young Nucita, who by the way already won one stage. Well done!!
Even Rudy Michelini, who is one class slower than Andreucci is one the same pace as Andreucci.
I hope that this R5 project of PSA will not turn into crap.....
It's as clear as an azure sky of deepest summer sir! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ucci
It's hard to believe that Andreucci says "tutto bene" after each stage. Maybe they are testing something and don't push the car settings to the limit?
he did enough testing and in this first appearance he is surely told to push for better marketing. 40 seconds to Basso and 25 to local S2000 for 70 kms is certainly not bene.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ucci
i ve told you that excepth Loebphobia pills,to take Frenchphobia pills too.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
try to help yourself.
This is really not fair to compare. Nobody of us knows what are the regulations for gas car and how this car is really fast comparing to other normal cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
It is fair to compare. They are competing in the same championship and the nature of the sport is to compare oneself against other competitors. There is nothing unfair about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
In the meantime Nucita wins SS7. Andreucci and his 208 R5 still down in the 4th position.
That's twisted logic. It's motorsport and technical rules are fundamental part of it. Allowing one different car than others under rules which were somehow set without knowing how fast the car actually will be is a dangerous thing which always brings plenty of questions. It is definitely more fair to keep rules about which you know they are well balanced.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
Andreucci times are improving from the morning, looks like he has done some changes.
It seems there is still hard work to do with 208 R5 ...
If the rules are wrong, complain to the Italian federation :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Why? They can do what they want. But if you want to compare, you must compare comparatable...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
we are not complaining if its fair or not.We are discussing about the UNKNOWN speed of cng r5.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
is it so difficult? see the difference between Scandola and Basso with RRC and S2000 from before.
It should be difficult. We dont know how much is Giando pushing...Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
its not so easy.You have to know much more info to extract safe conclusions.Some guys running on fia tyres to used for San Remo(Michelini),some others have broken shafts,flat tyres(Scandola at stage 11 ie)different tyres,and an unknown rally(for me at least) about if favours s2000 cars or r5 cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
Except that Basso now has a good margin to control.
look the difference between Basso and Ucci
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHQs4wNWYdc#t=31
Finally, first stage win for T16 :)
Well another reason is that Ucci should look sooner or later into the passport ;-) No offence, but nearly 50 years old human connot have same reactons and reflecses as persons between 15-40. To me he is mysterious guy anyway... some people have youger grandfathers than him :-) Respect!
Bassooo....go..go!
Andreucci seems to get used to his new car now, with two more stage wins today (out of 3) - or his team found the optimal settings of the car.
Basso had before him after the first day almost one minute advantage, so today he does not need to drive on a limit. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by WUff1
Nucita retired...
If I understand well, his car caught fire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Nucita had some electrical issues, the inside of the car start to overheat and the fire extinguisher was put in operation...Nucita had a slight poisoning due to smoke, but nothing seriously....Anyway, he is the biggest positive surprise of this rally!! Young guy has a bright future in front of him. Do not forget-he was driving a private 207 S2000.
Basso- very routinely, without any problem whatsoever-victory with a huge margin, could be even bigger if he would push more on the second day. Well done Fiesta R5 & the team, which prepared gas powered car.
Scandola-second place, but he won just one stage, he had no chance against Basso.
Paolo Andreucci-definitely one of the lowest points in his career. On his home rally we honestly all expected victory and nothing else, but this result is showing two things: or Andreucci is to old or P208 R5 is a failed project. Don't be tempted by today's stages victories-Basso was on a ''cruising mode''.
Like I told before, Basso with CNG car is not comparable thing as we dont know rules for his car. But Andreucci was slower than Scandola, which is comparable...
Below is a comparison a Finnish motorsport magazine made 6 years ago (Vauhdin Maailma 3/2008) between a CNG Evo (Manfred Stohl) and a petrol Evo, both with a 32 mm restrictor. The petrol had a peak torque of 566 Nm @ 3290 rpm compared to CNG Evo’s 532 Nm @ 3440 rpm (94%). Peak power for petrol Evo was 276 PS @ 3650 rpm compared to CNG’s 263 PS @ 3520 (95,5%). Both was measured in the same dyno.
The CNG evo has two 90 litre tanks, one behind the seats and another one in the trunk. I don’t know how big the Evo’s fuel tank is but calculating with 70 litre and about 0,75 kg/litre density for petrol would give a result for 52,5 kg for a full tank. The CNG’s density is about 0,42 kg/litre and the weight of 180 litre would be 75,6 kg.
The weight of the cars was not mention but they said that the CNG evo is “few tens of kg” heavier than the petrol evo. Jani Paasonen who tested the CNG evo said that on lower revs there are less torque but the curve increase rapidly and on higher revs the power & torque difference is not noticeable when driving. The response to the throttle have a little delay. Also the torque band is narrower.
CNG dyno chart (Note: Not an error, the charts in the magazine was mixed, N4->CNG and CNG->N4):
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...ps8aa5213e.jpg
Petrol dyno chart:
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...ps3780d166.jpg
Gas tank behind the seats:
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...pscc1e2c4d.jpg
Gas tank in the trunk:
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...ps7518ee0e.jpg
thanks Old F ,nice post.