another school shooting in U.S. of A. :(

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Originally Posted by keysersoze

I'm not saying that we are unique because we are unique. We are unique because we have a culture, and laws, and a psychology, and a society, an ecomony, and an ethic, and politics, that make us different from any other country.

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I hate to say so, but in none of this is the USA unique.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I hate to say so, but in none of this is the USA unique.

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Then please name a country that is similar to the U.S. in all those areas.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I don't know, but I would certainly say that valuing the right to protect oneself can be taken to extremes. Firearms, to me, represent that extreme.

As for other countries, weaponry of all types seems quite highly valued by the populaces of Iraq and Afghanistan.

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Tell that to the American Indians of the 1700s and, if you want a more recent example, the Jews of the 1930s, or perhaps a litany of nations in Africa during the last few decades.

And I'd say one of the reasons (I'm not an expert on either of those countries) Iraq and Afghanistan citizens value firearms is that their governments do such a poor job of protecting them. Protecting its citizens, from foreign and domestic attacks, is job #1 for any government.

I will agree, however, that the measures we will take to defend ourselves can be extreme. There is little need for AR-type weapons, or for someone to have as many firearms as some own (my brother has a half-dozen, only two whose purpose is hunting). I believe that I can protect my wife and myself in our home with one 9mm handgun, a spare magazines, and 100-ish rounds on hand at all times.

So let me get this straight.


People with guns are telling me I can't have guns?

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Originally Posted by keysersoze

Then please name a country that is similar to the U.S. in all those areas.

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You could substitute any other country name for the US and this statement, or in your original one, and it would be equally valid. Every country is different.
But in no way is the US morally superior to other countries, nor is the US way necessarily the right way.

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Originally Posted by D-Type

You could substitute any other country name for the US and this statement, or in your original one, and it would be equally valid. Every country is different.
But in no way is the US morally superior to other countries, nor is the US way necessarily the right way.

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And so I thank you, D-type, for helping me to make my point. When posters offer blanket solutions (because, you know, it works in this corner of the world) for a complex problem, it needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

Who the feck said the US was morally superior? Who the feck said the US way is the right way? I know what I wrote and I didn't state or imply that the US was superior to any country in any aspect.

You didn't - but some have implied that they feel that way.

Okay, I know . . . . another cut and paste but . . . .

If more guns == safer society, we (USA) should already be the safest country in the world.
( Number of guns per capita by country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )


* and this is 2007 - and gun sales have boomed a couple of times already since then.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

So let me get this straight.


People with guns are telling me I can't have guns?

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The fact that someone holds one view doesn't necessarily mean they automatically hold another one, you know.

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Originally Posted by keysersoze

And so I thank you, D-type, for helping me to make my point. When posters offer blanket solutions (because, you know, it works in this corner of the world) for a complex problem, it needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

Who the feck said the US was morally superior? Who the feck said the US way is the right way? I know what I wrote and I didn't state or imply that the US was superior to any country in any aspect.

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You didn't, I know. But you did suggest that, in effect, the US was unique in being unique, which is patently an absurd notion.