People Power

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

No, no, no. You are reading into our views what you wish to read into them. Hardly at all has it been accurate. All I have been saying is that I want to see the gap between richest and poorest narrowing, something which does not, I have to tell you, have to entail making the rich poorer. And even that only concerns those whose sole obsession is money, of whom there appear to be several here.

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This is what I have been harping on so much. How exactly do you go about making the gap between the richest and poorest narrower? The only way I have seen put forward by protestors and by Ioan on this board, is to tax the rich. What is your proposal? What way narrows the gap between richest and poorist without obsessing on money? That makes no sense. In order to define "rich" and "poor" one must use monetary metrics. Or are you saying rich in family? Soul? Happyness? If that is the case then I know plenty of miserable rich people, and plenty of very happy poor people. So why all the protesting of the "rich" and "greedy corporations"?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

So do I. Right-wingers do not have a monopoly on thinking that way, you know.

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I never said one group has a monopoly on that. I was being accused of not caring about people. So I was personally responding to that.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

You shouldn't, but this is not what is being argued, by most at any rate.

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Once again, this is why I keep asking ... What exactly are you protesting FOR? What is the SOLUTION? What do you WANT?

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Originally Posted by chuck34

This is what I have been harping on so much. How exactly do you go about making the gap between the richest and poorest narrower? The only way I have seen put forward by protestors and by Ioan on this board, is to tax the rich. What is your proposal? What way narrows the gap between richest and poorist without obsessing on money? That makes no sense. In order to define "rich" and "poor" one must use monetary metrics. Or are you saying rich in family? Soul? Happyness? If that is the case then I know plenty of miserable rich people, and plenty of very happy poor people. So why all the protesting of the "rich" and "greedy corporations"?

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So, to clear it up once and for all, you are happy to see the fiscal gap between richest and poorest continuing exponentially to increase? You don't consider this in any way representative of a societal problem, and you view it only as a positive because of the movement in one direction, without even considering the negative embodied by the movement in the other direction?

Why not increase the wages of the lowest-paid, another way, surely, of decreasing the gap?

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

The point is that anyone who is at the bottom of the pecking order can become one of the people milking it at the top. Like I said, I went from going to bed as a child some nights without food or lunch the next day and now live in the top 5% of the rich in the world according to the worlds top 5% rating of richest people. I'm proud of where my life and my hard work has got me at the tender age of 34 and I hope my children never have to experience going to bed hungry.

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Yours probably won't but due to the skewed system that you are supporting millions of children are and will continue to die due to lack of food. Food for thought to you and the rest of teh 5% richest people in the world, including me.

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Yes, the guy at the top is often the one that has put his life on the line financially, ...

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That's not true anymore, and it hasn't been so for more than a decade.

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Sad reality check is that life is not fair. I still don't see the problem.

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We could make it fair, but for that we need to see the problem.
Did you think that this unfairness was good back when you were going to bed hungry as a young kid? I don't think you did, though I know that you will deny it now.
One should never forget where he/she started off, cause the target in life is not to become rich while others get crushed, not my target anyway.
I had your believes when I was young but it all changed and I can not complain.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

So, to clear it up once and for all, you are happy to see the fiscal gap between richest and poorest continuing exponentially to increase? You don't consider this in any way representative of a societal problem, and you view it only as a positive because of the movement in one direction, without even considering the negative embodied by the movement in the other direction?

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We are obviously never going to agree on this, as can be seen with 36 pages of back and forth. I am tired of endlessly arguing about it. That is why, for the sake of moving things forward, I propose that we all agree you are right, it is bad.

Now ... What do we do about it? How do we fix it?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Why not increase the wages of the lowest-paid, another way, surely, of decreasing the gap?

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Yes of course that would reduce the gap. How do you propose we go about enacting this wage increase for the lowest-paid?

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Originally Posted by chuck34

To Ioan I say, how much do you want? Just tell us all what the magic number is so we can know just how much to work.

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I don't want anything, in fact I am paying taxes approx 50% of my salary month after month.

My problem is with the rich and teh corporations who manage to pay close to nothing taxes year after year after year. They are taking from the society and not giving back anything. This has to stop.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

IMHO there is too much focus on the individual in some quarters here. Yes, we all have our own rights, responsibiities and abilities but do we really not give a **** about others?

If charity and equality issues are no part of government then should overseas aid end? Should racial, sexual and other inequalities be simply ignored in the name of the "free market"?

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Well said.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Did you think that this unfairness was good back when you were going to b(e)d hungry a(s) a young kid?

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I know this isn't necessarily directed at me, but I'll answer anyway.

Hell no, it's not fair. But it (going to bed hungry) sure is a d@mn good motivator. It motivated him to better himself through education and hard work, so that neither he nor his family ever had to go hungry again. What would his motivation be to improve himself if the government just gave him and his family food? He very well may have had some motivation, but to say that it would have been as strong as it is, is foolish.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

I would argue that most overseas aid should end. Not all of it, there are areas where our interests are being served that should be kept on.

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So you will help only those who serve your interests, that is not called caring about others, that is called economic slavery.