Team orders at Ferrari

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Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale

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You sure sound an awful lot like someone who was on these boards years ago by the name of 'Campione Ferrari'. Are you the same guy?

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Originally Posted by airshifter

I don't like team orders regardless of which team issues them.

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You have no regard for European motor racing tradition?

Team orders have been a round since racing began and all teams have used them and want to use them and drivers from Fangio down have benefited.

It is a good management skill.

You cannot apply American purist attitudes to European racing - in the same way that European purist attitudes will always be unacceptable to American fans. And I refer to real fans and not those who merely watch racing and consider it no different to football or whatever else.

No team in f1 has supported the outlawing of team orders. The current rule is bad rule and when the WMSC convene in Paris this month I reckon the rule will be moderated significantly.

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Originally Posted by edv

You sure sound an awful lot like someone who was on these boards years ago by the name of 'Campione Ferrari'. Are you the same guy?

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To use a quote from Mr Arrows - No.

Of course, I cannot prove it, but some people on this forum are not interested in proof.

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Originally Posted by airshifter

I'm not sure why the investigation wouldn't include telemetry from Massas car to determine how much he lifted. Had the team NOT intended him to lift I would have expected radio transmission asking him what the problem was and why he lifted and let another car past him. I would have also expected Ferrari to defend themselves against the fine by using telemetry and other evidence contrary to their finding.

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Massa said there was no problem, he took the decision to let Fernando past. Telemetry will show that he lifted, but not why.

Again, it comes back to the level of proof....and telemetry is not capable of providing proof of a team-order.

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Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale

Massa said there was no problem, he took the decision to let Fernando past. Telemetry will show that he lifted, but not why.

Again, it comes back to the level of proof....and telemetry is not capable of providing proof of a team-order.

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The team did not question why he slowed so much, for me that is damning of the intent of the team to ensure positions were switched.

And that is clearly team interference - aka team orders in my book.

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Originally Posted by henners88

I was thinking he sounds like a guy who was banned in the same week as this poster joined the boards. Come to think of it, that banned poster did used to use Italian phrases in their posts from time to time, and was named after a corner on an Italian racing circuit lol. Only joking. :p

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......and likes to spout;

"thanks for proving my point" at regular intervals.

Clearly changed ISP or using a VPN to change public IP address.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

......and likes to spout;

"thanks for proving my point" at regular intervals.

Clearly changed ISP or using a VPN to change public IP address.

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There is a tendency here to try and make trouble for others. What is the objective?

So what even if it is the same person? Do you like to see people banned that you may or may not agree with or do y'all that think it is the same person want the new name to be banned?

At school were you the guys that would tattle tale to teacher?

You can disagree with someone, but being mean and "telling teacher" is just despicable.

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

There is a tendency here to try and make trouble for others. What is the objective?

So what even if it is the same person? Do you like to see people banned that you may or may not agree with or do y'all that think it is the same person want the new name to be banned?

At school were you the guys that would tattle tale to teacher?

You can disagree with someone, but being mean and "telling teacher" is just despicable.

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apart from signing up under a different name when banned being against the forum rules we signed up to?

for one, i'm not bothered if it is the spirit of a certain corner, whilst most of what he posted was guff it was pretty funny

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Originally Posted by henners88

Telemetry no, but a flustered racing driver, an apologetic race engineer, and a Chairman who has studied the art of foot in mouth at the Universtity of Rome would give Peter Faulk enough material for yet another series of Columbo.

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Peter Falk.

Of course you view it as someone that considers Ferrari to have done something wrong.

Those of us who recognize it is Ferrari's right - and this has always been so in motor racing for all teams to engineer the best victory they can - see a team that explained why they did it but at no stage declared they implemented team orders or admitted any kind of false guilt that too many people have been braying like donkeys for.

You may view di Montezemolo as some sort of carricature but he is in fact a very powerful figure in f1 today. He is the dominant person in FOTA and engineered the victory over Mosely during the war with the FIA.

He represents the most power entity in f1 alongside Bernie today.

And if anyone here expects a negative ruling from the FIA they will be disppointed because Bernie is not interested in wrecking f1 and Todt is the last person on earth to see Ferrari compromised - not my watch!

The decision at Hockenheim if the FIA do not reconstruct the rule will become the new de facto rule with a price of $100,000.

For a team like Ferrari, this is a worthwhile price to pay if it means that Alonso will be WDC and that they may also win the constructors title.

With 7 grands prix to go and Ferrari performing really better than it has done all year and only slower than RBR, this fight is not over yet.

Do not expect Alonso and Vettel to make the same mistakes thay have done from now on.

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Originally Posted by henners88

I don't think it was a case of 'us' disagreeing with the poster in question, more a case of this poster disagreeing with just about every single person here simply for fun. He spat venom at you enough times too, and this was a person who could not be reconciled with via PM without him getting very offensive. ;)

Not for a bunch of low life Mclaren fans surely? :p

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Well, I dont remember who says what here - just that I think it is not right to undermine anyone's position.