Singapore 2008: Briatore and Symmonds resign

Saint Devote: "The action by Renault is not based on guilt, it is an attempt to reach a plea bargain of sorts."

Bilgeington.

If Briatore is innocent are you trying to tell me that he would knowingly quit and cease his defamation statement for the sake of a company he has no affiliation to other than that it employs him? A man of his wealth and power is actually going to ruin his reputation by admitting he's guilty when he isn't???

I appreciate that the letter of the law should be upheld - such as it is with the FIA - but we've long since gone past smoke and fires with this one. We don't have to be coy about the guilt just because he hasn't explicitly owned up to it because the actions alone tell us all we need to know: these two did it, been booted out for it and Renault are now desperately hoping they can pull some sort of dignity out of the fire.

I only hope their disgracefully motivated actions don't ultimately cause the redundancies of 700 people who they had a duty of care for but which both of them appear to have been incredibly cynical if not myopic about.

And that is a disgrace; not the bad mouthing of a known - and convicted, incidentally - fraudster and bully who if he'd had any dignity should have quit years ago rather than been forced out by yet another action of self-interest that finally caught up with him.

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Originally Posted by Pitflaps

If Briatore is innocent are you trying to tell me that he would knowingly quit and cease his defamation statement for the sake of a company he has no affiliation to other than that it employs him? A man of his wealth and power is actually going to ruin his reputation by admitting he's guilty when he isn't???

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Well...Briatore has said (link) "I was just trying to save the team. It's my duty. That's the reason I've finished."

Perhaps Saint would like to take some delve into some of Flavs dealings prior to the Bennetton (pre F1) days, or perhaps could divulge some information into the shade that exists surrounding the bomb outside his house in the 90's that was never explained before nailing his colours to Flavs flag (pole).

yes he's acheived plenty, he's been very successful inside and outside F1, but contgroversy has always surrounded him - Bennetton Traction control? Tampered fuel rigs? McLaren data in the system? he's always been happy to insult other drivers and cry foul against his team when it suits (see Double Diffusers and Jenson Button from this year alone)

he is not some paragon of virtue that you make out, he is a highly successful and highly ruthless man who has taken one chance too many. sure he's been a colourful character, but the entertainment he's brought has steadily been overtaken by the sleaze and as such he has to go.

what better way to admit guilt than to quit (whilst pushed) and not contest the charges.

and for the record there has been plenty of outpourings regarding Hamilton, Schumacher, McLaren, Ferrari and pretty much every controversy here, this is not new, unlike yourself. but the act of reckless endagerment as a method of cheating, and lieing about it is about as bad as it comes and Piquet is as guilty as anyone, knowing the history of his father, and of Jnrs time in the lower formulae in S America i'm not the least bit surprised by his part in this.

that he was willing to partake in the scheme is bad enough, to carry it out, lie about it and then only come clean as a grudge/bargaining tool is just scummy behaviour - if the piquets are never seen in F1 either i will not shed a tear

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Well...Briatore has said (link) "I was just trying to save the team. It's my duty. That's the reason I've finished."

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Not sure why :p but I don't believe him, not even 1%.

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Originally Posted by henners88

Ha ha we actually agree :p
We all know Coulthard with his supreme powers managed to focus his eyes onto a 3 inch mirror covered in water droplets, and see through several hundred yards of thick spray... That or he managed to hear and understand more than 3 words through a crackly, analogue, late ninties team radio..

Mclaren:"Schumacher is somewhere on the track behind you, we don't know whereabouts I'm afraid. Eddie Jordan doesn't even know Damon is in contention or where the Benson and Hedges girls are. The TV camera's can hardly follow where anyone is, but if you can mate slow down, use the force, and try to knock him off"....

Well thats my take on it anyway... :)

Sorry off topic my fault...

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You watched to much Star Wars! ;)

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Originally Posted by Robinho

That he was willing to partake in the scheme is bad enough, to carry it out, lie about it and then only come clean as a grudge/bargaining tool is just scummy behaviour - if the piquets are never seen in F1 either i will not shed a tear

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Hang on, I'll just check in my sympathy vault.

No,

Nothing,

Sorry. Must be the recession. Nought left in there :)

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Originally Posted by Robinho

and for the record there has been plenty of outpourings regarding Hamilton, Schumacher, McLaren, Ferrari and pretty much every controversy here, this is not new, unlike yourself. but the act of reckless endagerment as a method of cheating, and lieing about it is about as bad as it comes and Piquet is as guilty as anyone, knowing the history of his father, and of Jnrs time in the lower formulae in S America i'm not the least bit surprised by his part in this.

that he was willing to partake in the scheme is bad enough, to carry it out, lie about it and then only come clean as a grudge/bargaining tool is just scummy behaviour - if the piquets are never seen in F1 either i will not shed a tear

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I don't know much about Piquet Jr's antics in the South American Racing Scene,so is there anything that i should know that makes me lose my symphathy for him :?:

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Originally Posted by henners88

I can't believe you have any sympathy for him :eek:

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actually to be honest, i do...

here's a guy who's racing his first year in F1 and being told to crash so that his team-mate can win a high profile race...(the first night race in F1,that oughta attract quite a bit of sponsorship)

I don't like the fact about the circumstances that got him to reveal the truth...but he's a young driver...a rookie....

I know about NPSr and his mindgames but I think he was pressurized into doing this.

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Originally Posted by henners88

I can't believe you have any sympathy for him :eek:

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Why not?!
When you see how much sympathy (I'd even say love) Saint Devote devotes :p to Sleazy Flab I find it very natural for someone to have a bit of sympathy for Jr. too.

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

The issue - glaring issue is the hypocrisy that extends from racing to this board.

That maybe Briatore lied - what about Mclaren's and especially Hamilton - they ALL lied and made David Ryan the scapegoat. Where was the indignation and condemnation then? More importantly why is Hamilton still racing because he lied as much as all the others and did bear false witness.

So fingers can be pointed but it is done selectively here.

Maybe y'all get so upset because it is the truth.

My disgust is the glee that is being expressed here and the extreme words of condemnation, so easily written towards an individual, Briatore, before a trial has even been held. You are all worse than Piquet because at least he KNOWS what happened.

The action by Renault is not based on guilt, it is an attempt to reach a plea bargain of sorts.

And even if Briatore and Symonds are found guilty, is this reason to act as if these people have committed murder? You all know these people from the sport yet you turn on them without any thought of the good they did in motor racing.

What is the difference between ramming another driver, parking dangerously at a corner, lying under oath and so on that has all been done in f1?

Mark Webber has already stated that at least the danger involved in a situation where Piquet deliberately crashes is not a reason for the uproar.

But there are many that resent Briatore and probably they will and maybe the FIA will use this stick to beat the man.

Bernie and Lauda have commented and they are correct and decently spoken without using the disgraceful tone that exists towards Briatore on this thread - but then it is easy to sit and do that all safely, and be so brave, behind the annoymous keyboard.

At least the people IN racing have not pronounced him guilty like so many here, without a trial.

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I have always called Flav "Sleazy Flav", and this latest sorry episode just strengthens my belief that Sleazy Flav is indeed Sleazy.

This is a discussion forum where we all sit behind an anonymous keyboard to discuss our views. I have never pronounced he is guilty; merely that the facts presented so far indicate that he is. However, by Tuesday, even you will know his guilt.

We are not talking about Sleazy Flav lying only, we are talking about his complicity in race fixing. And I'll be most surprised if he turns up in Singapore next week because there will be the Singaporean authorities who will want to know more about this race fixing that Sleazy Flav was involved in.

You can forget about ramming another driver etc, etc, etc. That has been discussed at great length (as I have already stated) before you graced this forum with your presence. In fact, you seem to have missed the case of forcing another driver into a concrete wall, and we have discussed that also. All that has nothing to do with Sleazy Flav.

This is a discussion forum where we all state our views. You worship Sleazy Flav, and I find him a disgusting character.