And where is the surprise in that?Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
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And where is the surprise in that?Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
Gary
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Originally Posted by tamburello
I get that, but it is based on your specific definition of the "greatest". A case could also be made for the definition to be based on win/loss ratio. For others, me included, it is a much broader definition that does include a lot of subjective parameters as well. Looking at a pure dictionary definition of "greatest" yields a WIDE interpretation of what does or does not make one the greatest. Given your specific targeted definition, I don't think any one would (or could) disagree. I think, though, that not everyone (me included) agrees with that targeted definition. Even in the context of an F1 team I don't think results are the ONLY factor. They do make up a HUGE coefficient of the equation if one were to try to develop an arithmetic formula. But given two drivers of equal record, I'd venture to guess other things like how they treat the equipment, how they treat the rest of the hired help, might also weigh on which of the two the owner felt was greater. For the fan that coefficient would probably be somewhat smaller and other coefficients would come into play that the owner might have little, if any, interest in.
Coming from the background you do, it makes sense that you define the greatest in the way you do. Coming from the otherside of the fence, mine is considerably different. But I admit, mine is a purely subjective definition. For me personal character weighs in quite a lot. And therefore my opinion of MS is much less than yours. While I do consider him the winningest driver in F1, by no means do I consider him the "greatest". I am sorry but I just can't put that moniker on a driver who intentionally tries to take out a competitor by punting them off the road.
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greatest - 3 dictionary results
great /greɪt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [greyt] Show IPA adjective, -er, -est, adverb, noun, plural greats, (especially collectively) great, interjection
–adjective 1. unusually or comparatively large in size or dimensions: A great fire destroyed nearly half the city.
2. large in number; numerous: Great hordes of tourists descend on Europe each summer.
3. unusual or considerable in degree, power, intensity, etc.: great pain.
4. wonderful; first-rate; very good: We had a great time. That's great!
5. being such in an extreme or notable degree: great friends; a great talker.
6. notable; remarkable; exceptionally outstanding: a great occasion.
7. important; highly significant or consequential: the great issues in American history.
8. distinguished; famous: a great inventor.
9. of noble or lofty character: great thoughts.
10. chief or principal: the great hall; his greatest novel.
11. of high rank, official position, or social standing: a great noble.
12. much in use or favor: “Humor” was a great word with the old physiologists.
13. of extraordinary powers; having unusual merit; very admirable: a great statesman.
14. of considerable duration or length: We waited a great while for the train.
15. Informal. a. enthusiastic about some specified activity (usually fol. by at, for, or on): He's great on reading poetry aloud.
b. skillful; expert (usually fol. by at or on): He's great at golf.
16. being of one generation more remote from the family relative specified (used in combination): a great-grandson.
Fangio won 5 World Championships and probably would have won more if there wasn't a war in the way. He had a better winning rate.
Jim Clark also had a higher winning rate and probably would have won more if it wasn't for the fact that he was dead.
No you do not, no matter how cold and hard they might be.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
What exactly means about the same number of points/finished race?Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
I believe that Felipe had the better numbers so what was there to argue anymore?! You should be happy that I didn't stress it anymore, instead you keep arguing a lost point. :confused:
Looks like the Ferrari and MS haters took over this thread, again.
I really wish you guys learned to read one day, preferably sooner than later.
Team orders. Instead of scoring a DNF he'd jump into his team mate's car.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
It's a shame that you can't start a thread with the intention of supporting a team and not have it turn into a bash fest. Personally I think it simply proves that many can't handle the sucess Ferrari and some of their key drivers have had in recent years.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
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Originally Posted by ioan
And we really wish YOU learned to write one day, preferably sooner than later.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Gary
Kimi: WDC 1Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Massa: WDC 0
There is a cold, hard fact for you. Everything else is a meaningless...
I pity Ferrari now when MS has signed the deal with Mercedes. They are lost now