Rally Wrc Mexicooo 2016

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Originally Posted by dimviii

a driver that he cant win a stage,not a rally,a single stage at his best surface after so many years at wrc ,is slow.
he never will win a rally because he was fast.

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I partially agree with you but in his Citroen days he did win stages both on the snow and on gravel. Not as much as a champion, but we should consider it to judge him properly.

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Originally Posted by dimviii

Nobody said that he is not a good driver.We said that he is slow compared to his rivals.
And thats not something bad,plenty of such drivers for every era.

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Ok you are right. I didn't get the point of the discussion. Agree with this.

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Originally Posted by stefanvv

I did it in many posts, don't really get why is all the critics. The man is doing his job as well as he could and is in better position than faster drivers than him. If there is someone who deserves critics now is Neuville, total dissapoinment for me.

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who said that ''he dont do his job well''?
read again and again and again what i wrote,till you understant.

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Originally Posted by seb_sh

Ostberg may be "slow and annoying" to some but the facts are he is at the moment one of the best drivers in the WRC. I think it's wrong to blame him for being consistent but unspectacular, just as it's wrong to blame Ogier for being faster and less error prone than the rest. Blame the others who are not beating this "slow" driver on rallies or in the championship. I'm not a fan of Ostberg myself and I don't think he will ever be WDC but he is a solid 2nd driver who brings in points and doesn't wreck cars.

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its not about blaming any driver.Its about talking at a forum and showing the facts.And the facts are that he is slow.He cant win any event at a straight fight,even a stage when others are in fight.Even at his country rally.

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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

Are you just talking about this 2016 rally ?

Mads won several stages in Mexico in the two seasons (2014 & 2015).

He may have been able to do so again but for having to drive for points with no team-mate back-up...

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Mads won stages when others are not pushing.He cant win stage at straight fight.

Mads is nothing, he stopped developing years ago, why you are arguing about a nobody ?

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Originally Posted by dimviii

who said that ''he dont do his job well''?
read again and again and again what i wrote,till you understant.

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why then You believe he is doing excuses all the time. Excuse would be needed if he fights with Ogier. He doesn't do this, because he knows he can't.
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Originally Posted by stefanvv

why then You believe he is doing excuses all the time. Excuse would be needed if he fights with Ogier. He doesn't do this, because he knows he can't.
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ask him why he mention about the new co-driver after 3 rallies.Not me.

Dimitri, you use wrong word. Not that I´m an expert in english, but word "slow" doesn´t suit. If you say he isn´t fast enough to be WDC I´d agree. He is not fast enough compared to maybe 2-3 faster guys. But slow.no. Wrong choice of expression for the driver currently in 2nd position in WDC.

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Originally Posted by tommeke_B

+1, for any team except VW there are no better options. I think we can put Ostberg and Sordo in the same category. Overall they lack a bit of speed to fight for the wins, but they're probably the most reliable drivers of the WRC field (apart from the Seb's) in the last 10 years. They crash maybe once per year and on other occasions they're always scoring championship points if there are no problems with the car.

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Yeah I see Sordo in the same category as well in general, except he is pretty good on tarmac.

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Originally Posted by dimviii

its not about blaming any driver.Its about talking at a forum and showing the facts.And the facts are that he is slow.He cant win any event at a straight fight,even a stage when others are in fight.Even at his country rally.

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Sure but I mean the problem is there are few better drivers. If we had more drivers who are fast and can finish a rally maybe Ostberg would not be in a works team anyway.

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

Dimitri, you use wrong word. Not that I´m an expert in english, but word "slow" doesn´t suit. If you say he isn´t fast enough to be WDC I´d agree. He is not fast enough compared to maybe 2-3 faster guys. But slow.no. Wrong choice of expression for the driver currently in 2nd position in WDC.

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It is true. You will clearly see the situation with Ostberg on Rally Canarian Isles this weekend (I am sure you will see it) ...2nd league drivers in WRC are still one league above best drivers in ERC.