Rally Italia Sardegna 2015

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14th June 2015, 22:48
bowler

The competitor is fined because it is their responsibility to make sure that they use the right parts. The manufacturer is not responsible. If the team had checked and returned the part there would be no issue. In this case the fine is much better than Exclusion, which is what could have happened. The rules are made by FIA, and the competitor has to abide by them, and the Stewards enforce them. Andreucci drove a great rally, and was very lucky to have a result recorded.
14th June 2015, 22:56
Livewireshock

My final Rally Italia Sardegna story. The event is over and I was keen to visit an out of the way pizza place and I am glad that I did. The man on the table beside me struck up a conversation in broken english. He said he was a Skoda S2000 driver. So we chatted about various rally things while he finished his meal and mine was served. He settled his bill and then as he got up to leave with his fiancee, he said, "Do not worry, your meal has already been paid for." I am deeply humbled and thankful for him for that. All he would say for my thanks was "Rally is a community"

Luca Artino, I thank you deeply for this gesture.
14th June 2015, 23:07
denkimi

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Originally Posted by Mirek

Take it as You will. PSA R5 again not exactly according to the rules. I don't know how to recognize a red pipe on a black&white photo but I think that in this case it's probably just a mess in Peugeot. Anyway Andreucci fined by 5000 Euro for non-homologated part on the car.

http://www.rallyitaliasardegna.com/p...ision_no.7.pdf

this is exactly why rallying has become so extremely expensive.
14th June 2015, 23:32
bluuford

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Originally Posted by bowler

The competitor is fined because it is their responsibility to make sure that they use the right parts. The manufacturer is not responsible. If the team had checked and returned the part there would be no issue. In this case the fine is much better than Exclusion, which is what could have happened. The rules are made by FIA, and the competitor has to abide by them, and the Stewards enforce them. Andreucci drove a great rally, and was very lucky to have a result recorded.

This is the point I wanted to highlight. Peugeot should be responsible for what he is selling. It is absolutely against any logic... When I buy smokes from big supermarket and it comes out that supermarket is selling tobacco without tax stickers, then I am not the one who is going to get penalised, it is supermarket. Can you imagine that you buy new Ford from official dealer and while you drive out police stops you and it comes out that you have red lights in front instead of normal lights.. it is clear that the fine and replacement costs will be covered by the official dealer not you.
We take it like it should be like this.. but why? Maybe because it is easier for FIA. But why it should be easy for them? why something should be with such an ill logic?
14th June 2015, 23:47
bluuford

I just discovered a nice fact. The drivers in top 15 were representing 14 different countries. Only country with two drivers was Qatar in 11th and 12th position:-)
I think it is some kind fo record from recent past. Top 10 was 10 different countries:-)
15th June 2015, 00:09
sollitt

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Originally Posted by bluuford

This is the point I wanted to highlight. Peugeot should be responsible for what he is selling. It is absolutely against any logic... When I buy smokes from big supermarket and it comes out that supermarket is selling tobacco without tax stickers, then I am not the one who is going to get penalised, it is supermarket. Can you imagine that you buy new Ford from official dealer and while you drive out police stops you and it comes out that you have red lights in front instead of normal lights.. it is clear that the fine and replacement costs will be covered by the official dealer not you.
We take it like it should be like this.. but why? Maybe because it is easier for FIA. But why it should be easy for them? why something should be with such an ill logic?

There is no "ill logic" here at all. As the entrant of the car/team, the competitor has the relationship with the organizer and the responsibility to present a compliant car. This car was not compliant so it is automatically determined that the entrant is at fault. All that is left to decide is the level of penalty. In this case it would seem that the stewards allowed some leniency due to the circumstances.
However the stewards do not have any jurisdiction over the parts supplier. One would expect that in the normal course of events the competitor would be claiming the costs back from the parts supplier themselves.
15th June 2015, 00:11
sollitt

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Originally Posted by bluuford

I just discovered a nice fact. The drivers in top 15 were representing 14 different countries. Only country with two drivers was Qatar in 11th and 12th position:-)
I think it is some kind fo record from recent past. Top 10 was 10 different countries:-)

A true 'world championship'.
15th June 2015, 00:19
JoostSchouten

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Originally Posted by EightGear

That spot at 0:53 is simply amazing.

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Originally Posted by dimviii

must be the same spot as at 1,40,really nice spot.

Thanks! It was really a great spot, with a very hard wind, so the sound is maybe not the best. But still a great area to watch and film.

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Originally Posted by dimviii

we have to wait JoostSchouten to confirm mate.

It was at Grighine Sud on Friday.

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Originally Posted by nafpaktos

excellent

Thanks!
15th June 2015, 10:57
JAM

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Originally Posted by sollitt

There is no "ill logic" here at all. As the entrant of the car/team, the competitor has the relationship with the organizer and the responsibility to present a compliant car. This car was not compliant so it is automatically determined that the entrant is at fault. All that is left to decide is the level of penalty. In this case it would seem that the stewards allowed some leniency due to the circumstances.
However the stewards do not have any jurisdiction over the parts supplier. One would expect that in the normal course of events the competitor would be claiming the costs back from the parts supplier themselves.

When you buy a car from a manufacturer, you believe the car is legal and acording the homologation.

Otherwise, when you buy a new car, you must completely dismantle the car and rebuild it to check every component to see if it is according the homologation. When a driver buy a part to a manufacturer, is implicit that the part is according the homologation.

Here FIA must investigate the Peugeot Sport's behaviour.

The only exception is if tha part was not bought from Peugeot or was changed by the team / driver.

It's stupid and impossible to expect that every team check every component sold by the manufacturer. Is obligatoin of the manufacturer assure that what is selling comply the regulations.
15th June 2015, 12:23
Mirek

Nice video, hopefully not a repost: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQa9BTRTV-4

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