R-Classes News

We could see a Mini Paceman become an R4 car, who knows?

What the FIA could do is to encourage the 1.6 turbo 4WD cars in like the Countryman/Paceman, then to stop any new homologations of 2 litre cars.

Then by allowing the 1.6 to have a lower minimum weight, the 1.6 cars in R4 become as fast.

All depends on how the FIA decide to do it, if they decide to do anything at all.

As rumour has is that R5 will become the top category of the WRC in time, and will they then want to keep R4 as the next category down?

1.6 turbo 4WD coming from Subaru ?
http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2011/7/2...-More-7703925/

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Originally Posted by navtheace

We could see a Mini Paceman become an R4 car, who knows?

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I don't think so. It's 4x4 system is nowhere near the Impreza or Lancer. It would be much slower and the engine would not be the reason.

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Originally Posted by navtheace

What the FIA could do is to encourage the 1.6 turbo 4WD cars in like the Countryman/Paceman, then to stop any new homologations of 2 litre cars.

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You are contradicting Your previous posts. We have only two manufacturers interested in Gr.N 4x4 cars and to encourage more interest You want to throw away those only two. Twisted logic, isn't it?

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Originally Posted by navtheace

Then by allowing the 1.6 to have a lower minimum weight, the 1.6 cars in R4 become as fast.

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Your point of view is extremely simplified. The car is not solely an engine on wheels. What makes Subaru and Mitsubishi so strong is decades of expensive development of the whole system starting from transmission, differentials, suspension and of course also the engine. Fact is that no other manufacturers produce similar 4x4 cars and they will not produce them in the future simply because it is hell expensive to invest in such development and there is not enough buyers in the world to pay that. Believe it or not to build a rally car from scratch in few pieces doesn't cost manufacturers billions like to make a competitive stock car. Leaving aside all other problems like corporate fuel consumption, emission standards etc.

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Originally Posted by navtheace

As rumour has is that R5 will become the top category of the WRC in time, and will they then want to keep R4 as the next category down?

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Definitely not. Anyway there were already years with gr.N cars as a top category (since 2005 to coming of S2000). I'm glad they are gone as those were the worst years of our rallying with no interest from anybody.

I'm just reading a press release from Hungarian Eurosol Team, and they say Honda Europe and JAS wants to build an R5 car...

Confirmation (did we already have that?) of Citroen that they are building an R5 DS3.

Citroën: R5 statt RRC*:: rallye-magazin.de

First tests scheduled for April, first planned rally is Rallye de France.

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Originally Posted by Fri

I'm just reading a press release from Hungarian Eurosol Team, and they say Honda Europe and JAS wants to build an R5 car...

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Now THAT would be GREAT!

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Originally Posted by EightGear

Confirmation (did we already have that?) of Citroen that they are building an R5 DS3.

Citroën: R5 statt RRC*:: rallye-magazin.de

First tests scheduled for April, first planned rally is Rallye de France.

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Matton said that some half a year a go in some interview. Don't remember where it was.

M Sport with their R5 Fiesta Testing gets underway for Ford Fiesta R5

Wont be long till these R5 cars come to the stages and look no different to what the current WRC and RRC cars perform like.

It would be nice if a site would list up all the existing R-classes modeles. This would be a nice place to do this: Group R - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's hard to see a difference between R1/R2 of the same car. It would be nice if every car has a nice sticker with its car class in it.

Performance-wise and sound-wise the difference between R1 and R2 cars is clear. You don't need to be such an experience spectator to see that one is basically a stock car and the other a much more advanced race machine.

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Originally Posted by HaCo

It would be nice if a site would list up all the existing R-classes modeles. This would be a nice place to do this: Group R - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's hard to see a difference between R1/R2 of the same car. It would be nice if every car has a nice sticker with its car class in it.

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you will hear the difference a mile away! Even my mother would understand the difference!