Singapore 2008: Briatore and Symmonds resign

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

When I first heard of this conspiracy to crash by Jr, I thought it was totally absurd and ranked with the moon landing conspiracies. There were just too many gaps and intricacies for this to be real. And reading the first few pages of this thread, I can see I was not alone in this wild accusation - nothing more than sour grapes from a driver who was fired for lack of performance.

Then the facts started to be made known, the planning and fuel loads and location of the crash where there was no crane or exit from the track so that the Safety Car had to be deployed. Bringing Alonso in two laps before the crash was a masterstroke. Getting Jr to agree to crash was masterful.

Then when we read about the FIA investigation and Pat Symonds evasive answers and reluctance to say anything meaningful, we suddenly realise that this was real. The sudden departure of both Flav and Symonds from Renault on the eve of the WMSC hearing left few in doubt as to who was really guilty.

I was always uneasy at the manner that Jarno Trulli was fired, and then when Fisi porved very fast in Oz where he won, only to be frustrated (remember when he threw his gloves and got ticked off by Flav) in the following races made me feel something was not kosher at Team Renault.

The WMSC hearing on Monday may reveal even more or merely just to confirm what most of us already "know".

I certainly hope we have heard the last of Flav and that he will never be a part of any form of motorsport in the future.

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Nicely summed up. I too hope the rotten parts of Renault have been cut away and we can draewn a line under this sorry tale and get back to racing.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Yes, but I get enough of that from 'er indoors!! ;)

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That's a good excuse! :D

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Yes, but surely in respect of the thread title.

You can't really say Flav is wrong for bad mouthing the Piquets when it was OK for Piquet Snr to do it at his discretion in the past.

They are both as bad as each other in my opinion.

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Well said :up:

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Originally Posted by henners88

I wouldn't say Schumacher deliberately drove into the back of Coulthard, now thats below the belt ioan i'm afraid... :p

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What a coincidence, I wouldn't say that either! :laugh:

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Potential there for a quality Freudian slip!!! ;)

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:D

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

!. In answer to you opening sentence, read the link given in this thread, and where it has been discussed alread, and where most of us called him a sleazy scumbag.

In answer to your second sentence, Yes! [read the questions put to Pat Symonds that he evaded], and Yes! He is a lying, cheating, conniving scumbag!.

In answer to your third and fourth sentences, they have been discussed ad infinitum here long before you blessed us here with your presence.

In answer to your next sentence, this has nothing to do with Humphrey Bogart.

And we all than you for your last paragraph!! and we don't give a shyte!!

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The issue - glaring issue is the hypocrisy that extends from racing to this board.

That maybe Briatore lied - what about Mclaren's and especially Hamilton - they ALL lied and made David Ryan the scapegoat. Where was the indignation and condemnation then? More importantly why is Hamilton still racing because he lied as much as all the others and did bear false witness.

So fingers can be pointed but it is done selectively here.

Maybe y'all get so upset because it is the truth.

My disgust is the glee that is being expressed here and the extreme words of condemnation, so easily written towards an individual, Briatore, before a trial has even been held. You are all worse than Piquet because at least he KNOWS what happened.

The action by Renault is not based on guilt, it is an attempt to reach a plea bargain of sorts.

And even if Briatore and Symonds are found guilty, is this reason to act as if these people have committed murder? You all know these people from the sport yet you turn on them without any thought of the good they did in motor racing.

What is the difference between ramming another driver, parking dangerously at a corner, lying under oath and so on that has all been done in f1?

Mark Webber has already stated that at least the danger involved in a situation where Piquet deliberately crashes is not a reason for the uproar.

But there are many that resent Briatore and probably they will and maybe the FIA will use this stick to beat the man.

Bernie and Lauda have commented and they are correct and decently spoken without using the disgraceful tone that exists towards Briatore on this thread - but then it is easy to sit and do that all safely, and be so brave, behind the annoymous keyboard.

At least the people IN racing have not pronounced him guilty like so many here, without a trial.

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Originally Posted by henners88

I wouldn't say Schumacher deliberately drove into the back of Coulthard, now thats below the belt ioan i'm afraid... :p

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Thats true, all Schumacher did was deliberately directly crash into another driver.

He is lucky it was Damon Hill and not AJ Foyt or Jody Scheckter - because the German driver would always remember the American or South African knuckle sandwich he richly deserved.

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

but then it is easy to sit and do that all safely, and be so brave, behind the annoymous keyboard.

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I will say it to your face if you want. Should I give you my address? :laugh:

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

The issue - glaring issue is the hypocrisy that extends from racing to this board.

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We are all part of this board, you included. And I wouldn't say that your views are less hypocrite than others people.
So please do get off the high horse and try to behave like part of this board not like some kind of self canonized forum member. It would help you see things better and improve communication with other forum members, IMO.

I suppose now we could hear stories coming in from other drivers like Fisico,Trulli,Button on how they were treated by Slavio Briatore