The Ferrari thread !

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Originally Posted by Robinho

which is it Tamb and Ioan, facts and results or opinion, both of you claim opinion in your signatures

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Fact - Michael Schumacher has won more titles and Grand Prix's than anybody else. Since nobody else has a greater success, that makes him the greatest.

Opinion - Ron Dennis is a W____r.

Never having seen him masturbate, I accept that this is merely an opinion.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Grand Prix's

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Grands Prix, surely.

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Originally Posted by henners88

I don't mean to be funny but the comparisons when trying to argue who is greater are just too complex.

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Only to those in denial of the facts.

Please tell me who has the greatest number of World Drivers Championship Titles and who has won the greatest number of Grand Prix wins?

There is the answer.

Anything else is pathetic.

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Originally Posted by BeansBeansBeans

Grands Prix, surely.

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Apologies. French is only my third language.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Only to those in denial of the facts.

Please tell me who has the greatest number of World Drivers Championship Titles and who has won the greatest number of Grand Prix wins?

There is the answer.

Anything else is pathetic.

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It's always the same old story. You offer an opinion, get frustrated that people have the temerity to disagree and ultimately end up throwing insults around.

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Originally Posted by henners88

So do you have a complex about someone else having a different opinion or something? Notice how everyone else is maintaining a civil level in this debate, yet you are calling people pathetic. We don't share your opinion simple as that, you obviously care what myself and others think as you wouldn't be getting so personal with your responses.

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You need to differentiate between calling an deliberately incorrect response pathetic and calling another poster pathetic.

I have done the first, not the latter.

Once again, nice attempt to troll, but reallly you need to practice your technique.

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Originally Posted by BeansBeansBeans

It's always the same old story. You offer an opinion, get frustrated that people have the temerity to disagree and ultimately end up throwing insults around.

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I offered facts. You offered opinion.

Big difference.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Fact - Michael Schumacher has won more titles and Grand Prix's than anybody else. Since nobody else has a greater success, that makes him the greatest.

Opinion - Ron Dennis is a W____r.

Never having seen him masturbate, I accept that this is merely an opinion.

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you are of course entirely correct, when the criteria for judging the greatest is solely the results acheived.

if the "greatest" is a subjective, opinion based judgement then you'll have to accept some opinions don't tally with yours.

Fact, MS won more titles and GP's than anyone. That makes him the driver who won the most GP's and titles, therefore he has the best results. if your judging that as your sole requirement for greatness, then yes, he is the greatest. i'd call it the most successful, as i consider "greatest" to be a subjective title. Chuck in fairness, Sportmanship, personality and other things that others might include in their judgement of there opinion and thir assessment could well be different.

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Originally Posted by Robinho

you are of course entirely correct, when the criteria for judging the greatest is solely the results acheived.

if the "greatest" is a subjective, opinion based judgement then you'll have to accept some opinions don't tally with yours.

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I don't accept that the "greatest" tag is subjective when dealing with those cold, hard, facts.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

I don't accept that the "greatest" tag is subjective when dealing with those cold, hard, facts.

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fair enough, thats your opinion. i see the cold, hard, facts as purely a measure of the most success. you could even say the greatest success, but i will stop short of "greatest", as i do consider it a subjective assessment.