Well those Swedes are feared the world over. Heck, I know people who liked ABBA just so they wouldn't get angry and go on a murderous rampage......Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodeye
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Well those Swedes are feared the world over. Heck, I know people who liked ABBA just so they wouldn't get angry and go on a murderous rampage......Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodeye
Have you watched the video of the "peace activists" trying to attack the soldier and take his rifle (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/10195838.stm)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodeye
What would you do if your gun was taken?
BTW two pistols which had their entire clips femptied at soldiers were found on dead bodies.
They prepared in advance to fight the soldiers and anyone in his right mind would have defended his life against a massive lynching attemp. There is no problem with aid coming to Gaza, hundreds of tons pass daily through land. The organizers were offered to come to Ashdod and unload the supplies over there in order to take them by truck to Gaza. They refused because they wanted shots of violence on the boats taken. Israel has a right to prevent weapons coming into Gaza.
It makes me puke that provocations like this paint Israel as the bad guy when it was all orchestrated by those on the boats in advance. They came looking for blood and they found it.
What the hell were they doing on the ship? It was in international waters these soldiers had no right to be on that ship.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rani
Israel had absolutely no right to get onto the ship in the first place!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rani
You could argue that the ship's inhabitants reacted badly, but you have to question why Israeli forces felt the need to storm the ship in the first place. If it was, as they claim, to escort the ship to dock then I can't help thinking there were better ways of going about it.
So you are basically saying racist comments against jews are ok in internet forums?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
No, I'm saying racist comments against Arabs and Muslims happen on internet forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rani
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Originally Posted by Woodeye
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Originally Posted by DonJippo
If someone storms your ship in international waters I'm fairly sure you've got every right to defend yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
Depends on who takes it. You can't assume that peace activists use it against you, they just take it so you can't use it against them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rani
How many soldiers died or wounded?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rani
Most likely Israeli military pistols emptied by Israeli soldiers.
Anyway, it happened on International waters, so the Israelis had no right to enter the ship.
About 8 soldiers wounded, a few severly. Several with gunshot wounds, the others stabbed or clubbed.Quote:
Depends on who takes it. You can't assume that peace activists use it against you, they just take it so you can't use it against them.
How many soldiers died or wounded?
Most likely Israeli military pistols emptied by Israeli soldiers.
Anyway, it happened on International waters, so the Israelis had no right to enter the ship.
I am not sure at all this happened in international waters. If it did it's a stupid mistake but only a technicality for it was going to take place a few hundred meters closer to shore and in Israeli water space.
The people on the boat came prepared with lethal weapons and were about 600 strong. The soldiers started firing lethal rounds only when their lives were at threat. They started by shooting paintballs at the violent people on board. When you try to kill soldiers it should be no surprise to you if those soldiers defend themselves.
Yet you said racist comments against jews and have yet to apologize or withdraw them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
It happened 64km out to sea, Israel's water space is 22km but as we know Israeli forces are known to make these sort of "mistakes", firing hospitals, UN peace forces and so on ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rani
Do you have evidence for this?Quote:
Originally Posted by DonJippo
For what? That it happened 64 km out to sea or that Israel's water space is 22km or that Israel forces have been firing hospitals, UN peace forces etc?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rani
What did I say? I said nobody (including me) would call you or other Jews potholderheads like some people call Arabs ragheads. Should I withdraw that and say, yes, we call you potholderheads???? Or what should I withdraw or apologize???Quote:
Originally Posted by Rani
Or at least that's what they tell you. I'm sure no independent international news agency or other independent party can verify those claims.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rani
If a news agency verifies would you admit you were wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
You should stop using that kind of language alltogether.Quote:
What did I say? I said nobody (including me) would call you or other Jews potholderheads like some people call Arabs ragheads. Should I withdraw that and say, yes, we call you potholderheads???? Or what should I withdraw or apologize???
If an independent crime scene investigation is done (that means not by Israel), and gunpowder residues are found on the hands of the peace activists and their fingerprints are on the pistols and their magazines so that there is no doubt that Israelis have planted that evidence, then yes. I doubt that will happen. Israel won't allow international investigators on-board of those ships for awhile if ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rani
News agency alone is not enough to verify. There are news agencies and then there are "news agencies" (read propaganda agencies).
I wonder what international law considers these Israeli's to be? Pirates?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
Racism is a crock of sh!t it has exsisted forever and will continue forever. People have freedom of speech and belief. Everyone runs around thinking they are do-gooders with all this political politeness crap. If people accepted ones right to freedom of speech and just have a laugh once in a while the world would be a much better place. Just because the government tells EKI he has to like the Jews do you honestly think he would mend his ways. Do you think EKI sits up there in the sauna using words like potholderhead - sure he does. I always laugh my ass off when I hear the famous "Oh I know some really good Black people" Yea when is the last time you invited one over for dinner? They usually draw a blank. Some peoples beliefs and cultures just don't mix. So people just be realists and accept your beliefs and work to eliminate violence. Now excuse me I have to go watch the Jimmy Swaggart Hour :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
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BRUSSELS -- The European Union called for an inquiry into deaths aboard aid ships seized by Israel's navy on Monday and urged Israel to allow the free flow of humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip.
Do you possibly think the Israelis give a flying _____ about what the surrender monkeys think??? These guys are fighting for their survival and the EU can't even lift a finger to help. What a joke. Merkel to the rescue. You guys just better pray the wind is blowing to the east when the big day arrives !!
Which guys, Palestinians? Yes, you're right the EU should be tougher on Israel. Turkey and the EU countries should send help to Gaza on their warships.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roamy
I see. You think soldiers shot themselves so they can open fire. right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
you don't get it EKI the EU could not win a war with Israel. You need to befriend those who can kick your ass!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
wonder what would have happen if Iran would have been responsible for his criminal act, my guess is that the president of the missing link would running around to put together a invation posse already.
he wouldn't do sh!t just what he has done since day one
Israel broke their own records today by attacking commercial ships carrying humanitarian help, in international waters.
I wonder what's next.... :down:
I don't see why Israel had to attack that ship
Maybe bomb an orphanage or two. Ya never know, babies can be terrorists too. No matter what they do, they can count on their big, dumb protector looking out for them. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by odykas
The one positive thing about us running out of money sooner than later: once our body has no more blood in it to suck out, the parasite will leave our body and move on to a new host. Maybe that's why Netanyahu canceled his meeting with Obama. Maybe he's headed to China to check their blood type, and where would be the best place to sink their teeth in.
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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
But seriously dude. Remember the Holocaust!!! Those dudes lived through this doncha know!
If they were shot, which I doubt until some independent source verifies it, they might have been shot accidentally in crossfire of their own soldiers or wounded by bullets that bounced off from the ship.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rani
Should I ever forget, I'm sure there'll be 5 movies per day on my TV to remind me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
While I'm not discounting their suffering during the Holocaust, they weren't the only people to suffer. And their cry of "Never Again!" has always appeared to me that it just applied to them. They certainly had no problems being one of South Africa's biggest trading partners and suppliers of military goods, while the rest of the world was putting the clamps on the apartheid government there. No, they saw that as a great opportunity to make some money.
And something else that's ALWAYS p!ssed me off is that when one admits that he is opposed to Zionism (and I am!), there will soon be an accusation of anti-Semitism (which I am not!). That's how the Israeli lobby and the Zionists in the U.S. have indoctrinated people to think. It's worked and it continues to work.
My bottomline is, no other country could get away with the sh## that Israel has gotten away with over the years, simply because it has an unflinching ally on the Security Council: the United States of Tail Wags the Dog.
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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
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Couldn't agree more ... :up: :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
Jag you couldn't be more correct.
Then if everyone thinks that Israel "gets away with everything" simply because of the US, have enough backbone to tell the UN to go to hell and actually do something about it. Quit crying about everything you think the US should or shouldn't do and get your own countries to do something.
Brush up on your German while you are at it, just in case!
It's always funny when Americans tell us that without them we'd be speaking German. That's true. Before WW2, they taught German in Finnish schools and played German music on the Finnish radio. After WW2, they taught English in Finnish schools and played American music on the Finnish radio. For me, it makes no difference if I talk English or German with people who don't speak Finnish, since neither is my native language. Because of the Americans, Finns are speaking English!Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
Germany? The tail wags the dog worse there than it does here. Modern day Germans have grown up with a guilt complex that is probably unmatched anywhere in the world. You don't see Americans crying in their soup about slavery or what was done to the American Indians the way the Germans bite their lips everytime the Holocaust is mentioned. At least here, one can speak freely about the Holocaust, and most any other topic... no matter how off the wall those beliefs might be. But it's my understanding that taking certain (objectionable) views on the Holocaust in Germany is illegal and one could be jailed. Is that not correct?
No, the tail wags the dog here, and in much of Europe as well. The U.S. will burn its last dollar and let its last son die in Israel's defense. Any country, whether Middle Eastern or European, which goes up against Israel, expect us to go up against you. It is U.S. policy that an attack against Israel is the same as an attack against the United States. Excuse me while I go vomit.
My country invited the Israeli Ambassador in Finland for a chat. That's usually what they do when Israel does something bad and that's it. Yes, I admit it's lame.Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
Apparently you would also have no problem adhering to the German way of thinking circa 1940. What americans actually mean is that Europe would have been a part of the nazi 'Empire of a 1000 Years' if it weren't for them, and their right. I know that doesn't bother you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
Sure, just an innocent commercial ship carrying innocent 'peace activists' with innocent clubs and innocent knifes trying to kill soldiers in an innocent manner.Quote:
Originally Posted by odykas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo
That's funny. You think you support us for us? Big mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag_warrior
You give us weapons so we can test them in battle for you, so you could use our ports for your carriers, so you could have an influence in about the only organized country in the middle east. You didn't support us until the seventies and we managed fighting all arab armies with french jets and czech and israeli rifles without you. You're welcme to leave when you think you've had enough.
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