This is very annoying -too much studio, and neither Keith or Ben seem to know what they are talking about or who the drivers are "that guy drove into....that guy"
Not impressed so far
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This is very annoying -too much studio, and neither Keith or Ben seem to know what they are talking about or who the drivers are "that guy drove into....that guy"
Not impressed so far
The encouraging thing is they are seemingly willing to listen to the viewers.
I reeled off an e-mail, polite and all that, commending them on the picture and production values but explaining the importance of getting rid of the UK studio and perhaps reducing the ad breaks a bit.
It appears they know we think they are a pair of usless tits.
"we will take the criticism on board"
Lets just prey they do.
But lets not be to down great racing today. 88 was genius. :D
i like how they say they welcome criticisum (i can't spell that word!) and how they have got some already. lets hope they take notice and give us a better show than tonight for the '500. i may even ask if they have any jobs as an advisor for them! show the producer a thing or 2 about putting on a good show!
Be happy you're not in the states. All though your Nascar coverage may suck, at least you're not looking at -15 F temps overnight like I am. Global warming my arse!
YOU NEED THE PRE RACE AND POST RACE SHOW FROM FOX OR WHOEVER IS SHOWING IT.Uk commentry before or after the show spoils the atmosphere for true Nascar fans ,hey guys Nasn had the broadcasting right we got everything live as seen in the states all the build up and info anyone would need you cannot just show 1 minute of jr and Stuart after the race , please sky just show us it the way Fox show it and give us the full build up for the 500.
Over all not a bad first effort.When they went back to studio ,the stream i had running also went to ad breaks.The one major irritation I did have was that Keith Huwen keep calling Junior, Dale Earnhardt!
Great result,Junior back in victory lane.
Well I enjoyed the widescreen and the slightly better picture quality (than NASN), however:
No pre race from the track, too many studio / advert breaks - NASN had that perfect - staying with in -car. As for the post race.... I better not comment.
There was no flow to the race. Every time I got into it, back to studio.
Hopefully they will take into consideration for next week.
I've got suround sound and the sound quality is far better than when on NASN.
We'll have to put up with the UK studio thing, it's Skys way of presenting all sport-not just motorsport. I think Keith and Ben will get more into it as the season progresses.
No, we don't have to put up with the studio thing. Last year, complaining to ESPN about their coverage have resulted in a lot of changes (including the departure of Erik Klueless, Suzy, Brent, Fowler etc, and DJ to the booth (in place of Rusty when available)).
I have just sent a nicely worded email to Sky, explaining to them that axing the UK studio actually saves them money!
In truth, that was every bit as bad as I expected. Anyone know if anyone is doing an HD quality torrent for 08??? PM me if you do. Thanks.
I agree the sound and picture (being widescreen) were real a real plus, however missing the pre race from the track (engines being started, anthem, build up), no in camera during US breaks, short post race means that I missed my NASN coverage.
Oh well, we will have to live with it. However, I am sure Sky will change a few things and we will get something I will be happy with.
For Daytona, however, Sky better have a good pre race from the track including "start your engines"!
few points there
Yep, tits in studio with not a clue who the 'other' drivers are outside Jr and Jeff
But, unless I am completely wrong, the main one is the moan about the pre-race show. In the US, fans don't see it either unless they switch over their TV to Speed. This is a Fox show, and they show just the race. I use TVU on the net to watch the pre-race and they switch over to Sky Sport3 for the race - very similar to the US fans only I use a PC for the Speed shows.
The ad breaks are too many, but then Sky has to pay for their coverage somehow so I don't blame them, and Americans have loads of breaks in their show. I liked the way NASN stayed inside a car, or even just one high up camera sometimes. But Sky will think that is amateur and lazy even tho the majority of fans will love that - keeps us in touch with the race to some extent. Shame - once Sky realises that, they may do it, but some exec will be worried grazers who drop in during these segments will think wtf is this, seeing cars going round with no commentary and no camera change. Personally I think some of the grazers may even say wow, let's watch some more of this and see what happens. But we all know the Sky studio will stay to 'explain' the sport to us morons.
:rolleyes:
Just wondering how many subscribers NASN have lost due to Skys coverage and the lack of it on NASN.....I for one have cancelled NASN
don't forget we've got the duels live to come so there's another opportunity to tweak the presentation. i have to admit that i'm not fully up to speed on the driver /number /sponsor changes yet so i somewhat sympathise with the uk studio crew(even the american commentators were nearly referring to 07 combinations). as this appears to be a late deal i would imagine that all aspects will improve particularly if the nascar hardcore fans email them with CONSTRUCTIVE criticism and they keep some continuity in the studio with perhaps the odd knowledgable guest.
if fans stay with the coverage then sky will know how popular nascar is in this country and if it's as popular as we fans believe it to be then there'll be more reason for sky to pump money into the coverage. it's a bit chicken and egg but they are a business and won't show it if the figures don't add up so it's in both parties interests for them to get it right.
actually, you are wrong. Speed do have a pre-race show, but its a kind of pre-pre-race race show called "RaceDay". Fox/ESPN also have their own pre-race show which includes driver interviews and the command.Quote:
Originally Posted by colinspooky
if you already have sky sports, i would imagine dumping nasn would be an easier decision than if if you didn't. for those who can make do with live(or as live)nationwide with sprint cup highlights on 5 then staying with nasn may be the better option. personally, during 07 i got square eyes because there was so much motorsport to watch and watching channel 5/five us highlights(as opposed to full live coverage) suited me fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave17
as an aside, junior must be a really happy bunny, no engine failure, car home in one piece AND a win to start the season.
There is still much more NASCAR coverage on NASN than Sky - don't know where you got your facts from?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave17
Anyway, I am a NASCAR fan and that obviously includes NASCAR Nationwide (LIVE and AS LIVE). NASCAR project on NASN last night was real good as well.
There is more to NASCAR than the Sprint series.
pwb - I am a NASCAR fan, but i primarily watch the Sprint Cup. i don't mind watching the Nationwide series a few days after the race via a torrent because i've been doing that since Motors TV lost their coverage of it anyway!
I didn't know about the Fox pre-race show.Quote:
Originally Posted by cgs
Fully agree with that - will be watching Nationwide too.Quote:
Originally Posted by pwb
On a side note, as soon as the Sky coverage started, the studio guy mentioned Busch within a few words of going on air. Nice. Niggles that he didn't know how to pronounce Bowyer and Kahne either, but he will with our constructive help.
mmmm well I thought that was fine actually- yes there were too many ad breaks but that's as much a symptom of the US broadcast as anything else- given that they haven't shown NASCAR on Sky for along time they'll take a while to get up to speed
I'm not too bothered about the pre-race or the post race stuff as I never really watched it anyway- lets face it NASCAR is a minority sport in the UK so we're lucky to get it at all- and I remember Eurocraps first CART race and it was a disaster- the commentary team had no idea no idea what was going on
it's good to see they're welcome feedback and I will email them about the ad breaks but aside from that I was happy with what we got
Its a shame because I dont think it is in Sky's nature to simply air someone elses coverage in it's entirety. I was glad we even got to see a bit of the American studio debate.
I suppose the one thing you could ask for is to have less UK studio stuff in the caution periods - because I'd find the US guys talking about something completely unrelated a lot more interesting.
It is just the nature of Nascar that there are periods with no racing. You cant blame Sky for wanting a studio to fall back on for things like rain delays and extended cautions.
If they do have to have a studio, could they not have someone more pleasing on the eye. If anyone has seen Sky's A1GP footage you'll know what I'm talking about!
I dont, its their bloody job mate!!!. They should do a bit of research.Quote:
i somewhat sympathise with the uk studio crew
And we need the US pre race!!! its a must. all the interviews etc.
All they have to do when the US is on a break and we aren't is to show the race feed and the two guys in the studio here can talk over it. That way i get to see the race and they justify their pay packets.
I just sent a polite e-mail suggesting that very thing myself together with a bit more pre-race build up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Haulin'AssAndTurnin Left
Whilst I acknowledge some of the criticism on here I do think that the general reaction is too harsh. Remember that Sky are new to this and are appealing to a wide audience, not just the afficionados of this site. The fact they have taken coverage can only be a good thing for all Nascar fans. Wider appeal means a greater audience and increased and prolonged coverage. Nascar sitting on a minority satellite channel was never sustainable in the long term. If you want to be a selective minority audience then so be it, but that has its problems as can be seen from the past. Constructive critiscism is fine, but some of the slating has been almost pompous. Nascar remains a minority spectator sport in the UK, give it chance to grow and see the benefits. I for one say thanks SKY. Widescreen Nascar with unbelieveable on board shots beats ANY OTHER FORM OF RACING. Spread the word guys and girls!
Why is this thread getting so angry.
We have got NASCAR on SKY for the next 2 years. Thats Brilliant.
SKY's first attempt last night was good honest try.
They have asked for out suggestions, and hopefully we have all emailed now, being polite, and saying thanks for SKY grabbing NASCAR from SULTANA.
I mentioned about prerace, well at least from the invocation, and to make sure we watch right up to winners circle, and post race driver interviews.
We got US commentary, SKY did not miss a restart, widescreen picture was better than we have had before, and the sound quality was great through the surround sound. SKY will do a great job. The studio bits were not too irritating, but will imrove.
It's all good. No more SULTANA, Thank you SKY :)
You are right, it was a first try and it will hopefully get better and more towards the NASN (not Setanta) presentation. Let's hope and maybe you are right in that we should not be too harsh - let's wait till Daytona.Quote:
Originally Posted by ghostdancing
Also, please stop referring to Setanta having had the rights, it was NASN last year that had the rights. NASN is owned by ESPN since Feb / March 2007.
Datona 500 quals on fox.Try this link http://www.justin.tv/davez
What channel on TVU is NASCAR shown on?Quote:
Originally Posted by colinspooky
nascar on sky sports they have signed a two year deal with nascar show all 38 races
Whilst I've just started to watch the repeats on Sky, I did Sky+ the race last night but never got round to watching it becuase of the football.
With regard to the adverts. If you've ever watched NASCAR in the US you will know how many ad breaks they have. If you haven't...watch the US coverage of the golf on Sky and see how many times they switch to the studio.
Cut Sky some slack.
When Sky first started showing the football everyone complained that the studio guests were crap etc etc.
They'll get better at the same speed as we get used to their style of coverage and we'll all meet happily in the middle :)
Yes, but a lot of us are comparing it to NASN's coverage of the last few years. That is the yardstick. We know how NASN dealt with the advert breaks, the pre race and the post race.Quote:
Originally Posted by spawn_e_git
Never watched the NASN as it was more to pay on top of my Sky.
Sky say they will have a longer program for the 500 race so there should be more of the build up and post race coverage.
I've never understood why they can't buy the uninterrupted feed and have their own ad breaks. After all, the F1 coverage was not always done by the BBC but there was never ad breaks then.
So is that the best Sky can offer? Two guys who don't have a clue what they are talking about. NASCAR has been my fave' sport for 18 years and i hate to see Sky screw it up! So are we getting the pre-race build up to the Daytona 500, or some 2nd rate Sky c**p?
If they can't do a better job than NASN thay should have left it alone. :confused:
to be fair, F1 coverage is done in a different way to NASCAR.
in F1, the host nation assigns a company to produce the actual race coverage, including replays etc. then the individual countries will then provide their own commentary, pit reporters and studio inserts etc. and these are typically (but not always) located at the track itself. this means that watching an F1 race in the UK will be different to watching an F1 race in Germany, France, America etc.
NASCAR is different. they assign on broadcaster in the USA to coverage the race. they then have full control over what cameras are used, what they are pointing it, when pit reporters come in etc. this is then broadcast on the main channel in America (i.e. Fox for the Daytona 500). from this footage, an international version is created. it takes out any graphics showing sponsor logos (for legal reasons), and during the advery breaks they dont bother directing the show and simply add on an in-car camera or another camera. the international broadcasters (i.e. Sky Sports) then have to fit in around these slots, either by broadcasting adverts, going to their own studio, or simply broadcasting the in-car footage.
I didn't think it was too bad from Sky for a first effort. There were a few mistakes I noticed - notably the spelling of DW's name - and Keith and Ben struggled pn occasion to identify cars but remember we are all huge fans of the sport which I'm sure Keith and Ben will eventually become.
The production values were excellent - far better than that of NASN - although the amount of adverts was a little disappointing.
I think we'll see Sky's coverage improve as the year goes on but I wasn't too displeased.
im sure with time things will work out , we might need someone to stream fox sports on tvunetworks so we get our pre / post race coverage .
copy of my email to sky , excuse the sa , not to good at english.
Dear skysports editior ,
i did email you guys early this morning , regarding the Nascar coverage of the bud shootout , i was probably a little tired when doing so.I will keep my feedback as short as possible , having been a Nascar fan for years and going to the states and seeing lots of big races and meeting many drivers and team owners i feel that my opinion may be helpful.
Coverage of the pre race and post race shows are a must because of the huge imformation that can be learnt from the presenters of FOX , TNT and ESPN , these guys being race drivers, crew chiefs and team owners have been involed in Nascar for many years and have Eaten , breathed and sleeped Nascar and oval racing .Myself and others have been educated by the excellent coverage of guys like Darrell Waltrip , Jeff Hammond and the late Benny Parsons as once we were all novices like so many will be this year,who better to cover all the Nascar pre race build up , race and post race shows than one of these guys ,for example a premiership football match covered by presenters from a country where football is a minor sport and the knowledge was limited just wouldnt work.
Nasns coverage of nascar has been going down hill since they were bought out by Setanta , and they had a very poor customer service , however when the coverage was on time (most of the time ) it was excellent as we had the whole coverage shown by the US tv networks , i understand that when the US networks were on a break , Nasn would just let the coverage roll on and sometimes you had a silent camera shot of either in car or an aerial view and sky may find this a little un proffesional however it worked fine and most of us were very happy with that but i know you must cater for the newbees and this might not work for you.By going to your studio and missing some of the talk under caution that may be relevent to an incident after the break , i found this a little disjointed and spoiled the atmosphere of the race ,i understand that comercial breaks are very common in Nascar coverege by the TV networks and you may not want to use everyone , Nasn sometimes went with a quick driver profile or someting similar to use the break time but they returned straight away when the coverage came back on in the states even on a caution.
As a fan like many others in the UK , who knows each driver and their personality that goes with them , its not just a no 20 Toyota , no 99 Ford or a no 24 Chevy stock car, its a certain driver with a different style of racing and attitude behind the wheel, most of us Nascar fans have found out each drivers personality and response to others during the pre race and post race interviews , its a way of getting to know whos who .With a race build up you could have a cutaway car ,to show how these things are set up for different tracks , at different tracks you have different pitfalls like tyre wear , fuel mileage and valve spring failiure , all of his imformation is very important and is a must for a Nascar fan , new or old and it works really well .Im not trying to tell Skysports how to run their shop and i do not want to offend the presenters on the bud shootout because we are all very pleased that you guys have got the rights for 2 years so we get our Nascar fix , i wish you success in this and hopefully with a few tweeks this racing series will continue to grow in the Uk and it gets the respect it deserves.
Sorry for the SA guys at skysports
Many Thanks
Simon
Sky is part of News Corp, so the first 13 races should be smooth sailing.
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Originally Posted by Haulin'AssAndTurnin Left
Blimey - that's scary..... I agree with everyword of that. :D
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Originally Posted by colinspooky
Im firm but fair. ;)
I do think SKY will get it right and hopefully learn the subject matter. Its in their best interests to get it right as its got to be better for them for people to be tuning in for the NASCAR half hour earlier to see a pre race show than the four people that were watching some crap like BMX riding, like on saturday.
Well I've sent off my email to Sky regarding the coverage of the Bud Shootout.
I thought it was good of them to encourage viewers to send in thier comments, hopefully, in time, they will deliver us superb NASCAR coverage.
I was VERY pleased to see that the Daytona 500 is going to be broadcast in High Definition! Sky showed a re-run on Sunday of the Bud Shootout on Sky2HD and it looked amazing!!
If any of you are thinking of getting an HD screen and SkyHD I can highly recommend it!