WSR are commited to running 2 S2000 cars,but have still to reveal what make they are.They would still run 1 mg if someone had the right budget
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WSR are commited to running 2 S2000 cars,but have still to reveal what make they are.They would still run 1 mg if someone had the right budget
That's good news. I hope they do run the MG as well as whatever they plan to run.
I would say that RAC should run either:
ex Hotfiels Ford Focus (improve it a lot)
KMS Audi A4 (won STCC this year)
BMW 320si (proven WTCC car)
Honda Accord Euro R (showed signs of pace)
I bet whatever s2000 car they have chosen will be a good choice and may/may not been on the list.
After all, they may have built their own cars.
Is there any chance of an Autosport unveilling?
Not enough time or money to design, build and develop their own cars.
Ah, so they bought some. I hope they aren't ex WTCC ones for more variety unless nobody else enters that kind of ex-WTCC car eg Peugeot 407.
Whats wrong with the 407? Only one person has used it unsuccessfully in WTCC. It has done well in the STCC or the Danish championship (I can't remember) so how can you judge from the one race it did in the WTCC? I'd love to use a 407 but I'm not old enough.
Nothing wrong with a 407, quite like them and used to have an STCC 407 as my desktop background, you mis-read my post. I meant I didn't want them to run a man-and-his-dog touring car like an Alfa Romeo 156 or BMW 3-series.
I met someone closely connected to Motorbase at a local party over Christmas and Motorbase do have three cars all of which are in the middle of full rebuilds and new livery. Two cars are definite appearing and two very good young drivers are apparently close to a deal. I tried everything but names would not be given! It is apparent that Dave Pinkney is NOT one of them as he wanted to pursue his own route although he still has a strong relationship with the team. The third car will be built and ready for the season and will either sit as a spare or could be out if the right driver came along? It is the silly season of course so anything could happen?! Anyone else got any closer connections and can verify any of the above?
My auntie knows a welder at Andy Britnells scrap yard. And she reckons that Motorbase will run two young drivers as well. One will have BTCC experience and the other has a very rich dad!
It's all good having variety, but that doesn't win races or championships.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain VXR
Where's Carl's dad when you need him?Quote:
Originally Posted by cookingfat
after listening to an interview with Ian Harrison on crash.net , it was quite interesting in a few points that he came up with:
-that the s2000 regulations are technically weaker than the BTCC regs that they are replacing
- there is absolutely no inscentive to run a third car, even if someone with the budget came along
- that he expects quite a few btcc-spec cars out there next season, including what looks like the Sport Hatches running again
I have to say with point 1 though, is this resentment caused by the fact that Seat now have a head start whereas previously Vauxhall have been the team to beat, or are the new regs really that bad?
Can I suggest the rich dad one could be Max Chilton?Quote:
Originally Posted by cookingfat
How did Ian come to pretty much all three points? Especially points 1 & 2. Though I do agree with point 3. Techspeed are rumoured to be running the Sport Hatches but are likely to continue with the Astra Coupes. In what way is the S2000 regs weaker than the BTCC weaker and how is there no incentive to run three cars?Quote:
Originally Posted by tin-top fan
Re the point about possible resentment, as a SEAT fan of course I am gonna say yes because VXR are our only works rivals, but I really do think that. Certainly I get the impression he is edgy about his chances in 2007.
[quote="tin-top fan"]after listening to an interview with Ian Harrison on crash.net , it was quite interesting in a few points that he came up with:
-that the s2000 regulations are technically weaker than the BTCC regs that they are replacing
- there is absolutely no inscentive to run a third car, even if someone with the budget came along
- that he expects quite a few btcc-spec cars out there next season, including what looks like the Sport Hatches running again
In the interview, Ian Harrison made no mention of which Championship the Sport Hatches will run in, so don't jump to any conclusions - he merely talked about potential customers and the sales process is moving along.
With reference to the "strength" of the S2000 regs, I think his frustrations lie more in their apparent ambiguity. It's difficult to argue they are technically inferior as we have seen the SEATs always on the pace, so even if the tech regs can be interpreted in a number of ways, it obviously also provides a broader framework wo work within to modify and develop the parts and get them working at their best. Previously BTCC teams had rules specifying exactly what components were required, now the base car and how this can be modified seems a far more important variable.
Just seen SEATFreaks' post.
Think the decision of number fo cars to run to remain at 2 is based on the fact hatt only 2 cars can score manufacturer (and team?) championship points. However I think 3 would still prove beneficial on points scoring if one car got taken out for example. However there is also a cost element to work in there which ultimately I guess is what it comes down to
it would be cool to see astra gtc's in 2007 ( i hope for o'neill and smith !! )
Listen to the interview and he'll give you the answers.Quote:
Originally Posted by SEATFreak
I do see his point, as the rules are quite vague when it comes to certain items like suspension. I blame BMW anyway. The ETCC was going to adopt the BTC-T rules until they stuck their considerable oar in and made them use a modified Super Production formula instead, which suited them. I fear costs going through the roof again with S2000 and teams spending more money to make the best of what base car they have, especially those which are really not best suited to racing.
I have a document I can go to in order to get the difference in size between BTC and the S2000 cars and guess on that whether the S2000 cars would peform better, so what is the fundemental differences between the BTCC rules and the S2000 rules?
Is it much like the WTCC where there is the presence of different types of evolutions and variants? Would a Group N BMW 320i say in the WTCC which has to comply with say the evolution of the type (ET), (I am assuming means a car which has to have all the components that relates to that evolution of 320i), also comply with a BMW 320i in the BTCC?
That's a very good summary of the situation. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Iain
I am sure that costs will rise, because they always do and there isn't much that can be done to stop them. Some manufacturers will always spend more than others, and given that it's basically impossible to impose a budget cap that covers every aspect of a team's operation, there is really no way in which championships can prevent these situations occurring. Look at the example of Alfa in the 1994 BTCC — one team exploited the regulations to their maximum extent, spent a lot of money on winning the championship and thereby forced the hand of the powers-that-be when it came to the technical regulations. That had the knock-on effect of pushing everyone's budgets up and, in the end, killing off Super Touring.
As for those teams with inherently less suitable base cars, the example of Chevrolet shows that they can still enter the WTCC and get given certain breaks to render the car competitive, rather than just face the consequences of running an unsuitable machine (as happened with such as the Mazda 323F and Renault 19 in the BTCC).
Could this be the way that Clyde Valley run Chevies in the Championship next year? http://www.motorsportads.co.uk/race-...cars/7489.html (thanks for the link Iain :D )
Guys, do any of us ACTUALLY have the skills to interpret and build a product to these regulations? How on earth can we be saying the rules are vague when we have no appreciation of whats involved - hence my use of the phrase "apparent ambiguity." Lets leave it to the engineers to sort out and no matter how apparently inferior and confusing the S2000 regs maybe, BTC and WTC teams have shown equally competitive cars can be built and raced - it's up to the guys in the workshops to make the most of what they have from a set of rules that appear more centrally focused on the base showroom offering. Means the manufacturers will have to offer you and I something better in the road car (if they are to be successful racing it) and makes the marketing boys and girls happy because they're actually promoting the sporting pretentions of the model in their range!
Aww you beat me :evil: I was gonna post that d'ohQuote:
Originally Posted by tin-top fan
Only two cars can be nominated to score points, if there are 3 cars, and one of the nominated points scoring cars crashes out, the car not nominated still wont score points. So in that respect it does seem pointless...Quote:
Originally Posted by SEATFreak
...from a spectators position - it means less cars.
But it could help to have 3 - such as Halfords entering Howell, it can help in pushing opposition further down the field.
Indeed. Sometimes literally....... ;)
I was told over the weekend that someone has bought the three Astra Hatches from triple 8 and intends to race 2 of them in BTCC in 2007 glad they havn't gone to britcar or another country.
Also some interesting comments and pics on www.adam-jones.co.uk
And another Alfa for a B'ham based driver later in the season
Yay, more Vauxhalls. Good news for all :beer: . What is going to happen to the third? Will it be a spare or if someone brings enough money, it will enter too, or is it going to be used for another purpose. Next year, we could have three different types of Vauxhall http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/dance017.gif. Nice to hear that more cars are entering and I'm guessing the Alfa could be Birmingham based drifter Phil Morrison (obviously not :p ).Quote:
Originally Posted by tyreman2
Anything to do with Techspeed and thurlby?Quote:
Originally Posted by tyreman2
Kelvin Burt was born in Birmingham......Quote:
Originally Posted by tyreman2
That would fit in with the Alfa Romeo 156 - He drove for GA Motorsports in 2004 aka QUEST and Quest said they want to run two Alfa RomeosQuote:
Originally Posted by tin-top fan
Quest WANT to run two Alfa's but if you listen to the interview with E Murrey on Crash, it doesnt sound 100% he will be out never mind two!Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain VXR
Its a good guess but wrong, infact way of the mark.
Good luck to Adam Jones I for one think he will be a big player in 2007 if the rumours I hear are correct, also Kartworld may be a big player if the other rumour is true I ve been told about.
Happy new year all.
Dan
I just hope your team will be playing, Dan.Quote:
Originally Posted by dwracing23
It will be interesting to find out what Kartworld will be running next season. The next couple of months should be quite busy for announcements in the BTCC (I really hope so anyway), I guess we'll find out what Mr Hughes has in store for 2007.
with 2006 N-Technology cars ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain VXR
SEAT & Jason Plato confirmed for 2007. Team-mate TBA
Just read it in MSN WOOO-HOOO!!!!!!!
Not exactly the biggest shock there has ever been though huh.
No, but its nice to know that it has been confirmed.
I expect they will announce his teammate/s at the Autosport Show. They did last year.
I hope it's Thompson
good news, hopefully they'll learn from 06 and have the same 2nd driver in the car all year, if it's thompson i fully expect him to out perform plato
Good news that SEAT will be back with Jason Plato. I do hope James Thompson will be partnering him but if it isn't Thommo then I hope Darren Turner gets the drive.
News stories from todays Motorsport News:
- Dave Pinkney will reveal plans for a two-car assault on this years BTCC in a weeks time. Although the 49 year old refused to divulge what cars he will be using, he says he has two super 2000 specification machines with a manufacturers blessing. Pinkney said: "This is something i've been working on for a few years and we have some very exciting plans."
It carries on to say that they will be run in partnership with an exsisting team, probably either alfa or beemer and then won't be full works entries.
- The BTC racing Lexus could be up to a second quicker on the shorter circuits this year according to Chris Stockton.
Looking at last years qualifying for Brands, this would have put them in 12th rather than 16th place on the grid
Thats not bad for BTC Racing considering in reality the first meeting at Brands would be their 3rd meeting. If they can qualify just outside the top 10 when there are hopefully 20+ cars on the grid would be no mean achievement.