There are no manufacturers left. Hyundai is 1,5 feet out and without support from Ford and RB, M-Sport can do very little. Nobody is coming. Rally 1s are done.
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There are no manufacturers left. Hyundai is 1,5 feet out and without support from Ford and RB, M-Sport can do very little. Nobody is coming. Rally 1s are done.
Sorry but Thierry has been dead awful since his title win
This was embarrassing
I'm talking about if WRC top category would become Rally2 cars. Of course there are more of them, but since it's primary customer focused car for so many years now and a very successfull one, at this point it doesn't make any easier to adopt it. Yes, maybe for a year, since there will be nobody ready, because everyone is waiting FIA and promoter thing. And when they will know, probably someone will join the sport and it will take around 2 years to be really ready. So adapting Rally2 cars intil then could be a good thing. But for a long term, not so, because it would happen exactly as I suggested - either upgrade their own cars and provide customers with older ones or leave.
Many brands of Rally2 does not make a World Championship as general consumer entertainment. All the answers point to better individual rallies for already hardcore rally fans. Be prepared for the series to spiral inwards and simple signs like the cost of Rally TV to triple for fewer live coverage.
Individual events are great but what's the championship story...
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So shrink the calendar to 7 events in Europe? Oh wait we have achieved ERC.
They could simply link events in ERC and WRC which are running in Europe, and outside Europe - Saudi Arabia with MERC, Chile/Paraguay with CODASUR, Japan with APRC, and Kenya with ARC. Of course they could run also separate coverage for at least ERC events. That way they could discontinue WRC2 or made it count also in any ther continental championship.
For what purpose?
Did Thierry say anything about the crash? Seems absurd that he lost the car at slow speed in a partially dirty corner, when he faced much dirtier corners at much higher speed during the weekend.
Nonsense. We have tried it once (WRC and ERC event in one) and it was disaster.Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
Felt understeer, reduced the steering lock, tried to miss the corner and clipped a block taking to the side-road.Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
So what do we think of this edition of Rally Croatia?
The early loss of Solberg and Evans spoilt it a lot, but the gravel on the huge cuts were a mistake from the organisers choosing the new stages.
The rally was so successful as it was, they didnt need to change it so much.
Well this rally was certainly... ...no, I don't have a word.
I wonder what odds you could have got on Katsuta with two wins in a row.
I wonder what the various parts of Toyota think about all this. Some of the marketing people might be quite happy -- they can probably assume they'll win both championships, and their Japanese driver has finally done the business.
Well done Paddon.
Rossel very nearly got a podium in WRC2!
Yikes.
Reminds me a little of Rallye Deutschland 2013 when we had so many retirements, only the top four were WRC cars and Sordo had his first victory when (again!) Thierry Neuville made a mistake on the last stage (not as costly) and finished second. All in all this rally shows, first, how good tarmac rallies can be and dramatic, and two, that maybe it’s time to bring back the mousse back to the tyres…? Thoughts?Quote:
Originally Posted by Morte66
Though the powerstage looked appealing, don't regret cancelling my trip.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
The jeopardy of new routes that causes things like Evans and Solberg is 100% necessary in the sport.
Didn't see much of yesterday on old roads. CBA.
But didn't once see an anti-cutting pole that were every 100m on previous years - certainly on old power stage.
I'm thinking I noticed the TV teams had put out more fixed unmanned cameras at stage side. We were crying for it for years. At least nobody complained at too much riding onboard. Positive.
Not sure Super Sunday does anything for me in the current atmosphere. Glad Jon has the stones to attempt proving something through it, but going into the next rally I'll once again mark him as favourite to get punctures and suffer the same fates.
Happy for Taka again and it's 100% deserved win, but it's already at 'the same guy winning every time' because the perception of lack of and level of competition. That remains the dominating thought.
Why can it be that there is only 252 posts on a wrc rally thread.
A few years ago we normally had over 1000 posts, and on the two first rallies of each season there could be 3-4000.
Is it live TV that is to blame?
Cause I repeat again myself, this series is dead at the moment with just one proper manufacturer in main class, 3 very fast guys at home, non-existent marketing for the series, broadcasting from year 1995 with useless features like team radio at the end of the stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
FFS, they can’t even show what tires a driver has on once he starts the stage.
It’s not just the lack of manufacturers, it’s a mixture of all the things
No the administration of this forum is to blame. It's in terminal decline.
Nobody can join this forum, but many are leaving - plenty of familiar names on IGFN Discord which is alive and kicking.
Forum was down Friday, but has been up since, which is why I keep posting for now.
Neuvilles mistake
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/KKN8s863QBo
5 reverse shunts. Proper Austin Powers job.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
All you need to avoid that is have every car of a manufacturer be able to score points for them. It would encourage them to support privateers if they want to win the title.Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
Possible, but unlikely to be anybody's preference as long as there's a promoter in place and an FIA president keen on commercial/financial viability.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Have to say that this time round I was pretty enticed with the rally so I watched it more than actually being on the forum and also once I saw less people commenting here it made me as a result comment (relatively) less. And there’s no sugar coating it, the lack of a 4th manufacturer is a big hit just as having a bad promoter…this is our second time in 10 years we’re going into a new set of regulations and yet..we have one manufacturer already almost out the door before a new tuner(?) arrives. Do you guys remember 10 years ago when Toyota already announced in July of 2015 that they’ll be entering the championship in ‘17 and we thought we’d see them fight it out with VW, Citroen, Hyundai and M-Sport? Does it look right now as if any manufacturer from Europe or Asia are coming to this series? I think that says a lot about the promoter but also about the car industry which are completely lost by the state of things. The only bright side I see atm is countries wanting to enter the championship, and seeing Scotland back next year, but it won’t last if the grim state of the championship will continue and this horrid demoter who doesn’t have a clue of how to promote this sport; the only good thing I can mention from that aspect is they (Finally!!!) added those cool on the tarmac cameras for the live action, more or that please!! and while we’re at it, please replace Mike Chen, he’s become unbearable at this point, the only saving grace is the no audio option which I’ve been using since Monte-Carlo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
The forum has been on and off for months, people probably give up?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
For my behalf, i trying to not use so much time on my phone, so listen to the "rallyradio" when doing stuff.
Also, i really miss the old rallyradio!
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The state of rallying or the state of industry regulation?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Industry.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
Belgian TV coverage of Neuville on the PS... :disturb:
https://youtu.be/S13T1drRliE?si=YHmpwoaUzKUuxC-A
Trying to keep on Croatia, but also about the low numbers in the Championship, the last thing we needed on a tarmac event was a puncture lottery.
After the chaos of Safari a straightforward rally showing the fastest guys fighting and winning was required.
Petition to bring back the mousse for the rest of the year and if not then for 2027.
I guess RallyTV has taken more of the average Joe fans. Understable that people chose to watch rather than sitting in front of a forum. Except for me and some guys, of course... ; )Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
I'm glad that Taka got his win before this weekend; the win he got from Kenya was more earned, and this one was more gifted. Both give the same amount of points, but feel different.
A bit of fresh air was pace from Jon Armstrong. Although it did not materialize as a good end result due to a driving mistake, it gave hope to M-Sport that they can compete at least with Hyundai.
At the end, a bit of mixed feelings. Watching the O/A results and there are no "ACE" drivers (based on results from previous years) - Ogier, Tänak, Rovanperä, Evans, Solberg, Neuville. The top 3 from this rally had 2 rally wins combined before this rally. Some may say it is a new era, but if places from 4th to 14th are occupied by RC2 cars, this era sucks a bit.
Wouldn't call myself an average Joe fan, I just enjoyed watching the live non-commentary option but as you could tell, I still responded in this forum every now and again during the weekend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Before the live streaming I came here to read what happened, to get the latest news, to maybe get a link to a clip.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Nowadays you can just see it all live, there just isn't that much to talk about anymore.
Yeah, understand. That´s what I meant. But hey! The talks in here often gives you more salt and pepper, if you understand what I mean. Discord also good, but can freak out quite often.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
For me the forum is a welcome addition while watching live and a sort of liveticker while not watching. Sadly the second part is less and less relevant...
This forum is great, because I don't have a lot people around which are a true hardcore fan as I am. I mean I talk to people on work about this but they just know nd barely watch WRC, but don't know any insight as here people do. It just I don't always have time to watch it live, so I don't even come to forum to not spoil it for myself. Otherwise if I'm fully into it I have multiple screens and I'm engaged in it. If we ever meet somewhere we will surely drink a beer
Meanwhile...
Look at this guy where he filmed the rally.
https://gol.dnevnik.hr/clanak/rubrik...AziQO_WQhvNmcw
And, just before the start of rally someone broke in Toyota garage and stole tire changing equpment.
https://www.telegram.hr/vijesti/sram...ravo-dogodilo/
Some people really seems to go to rally just to commit suicide it seems
By the way this was Paddon’s first ever tarmac podium on his first full tarmac event since Rallye Deutschland 2017!!! Most impressive. Hope to see him now on the gravel as well.
If you check the onboard in SS4/8 at 5:10 you can see that spot, it's silly but not really dangerous, extremely little chance of the car going there