2021 Race 10 - British Grand Prix

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Originally Posted by Zico

Me too Baggie, I guess we are all extremely privileged to have our resident expert here to keep us all in check.

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You chaps keep going on about Verstappen being on the racing line. Well check this video out, it explains the lines that both drivers took into the corner. And why Verstappen is seen to have a share in the fault of the crash occurring. And why the stewards gave Hamilton a 10 seconds penalty.

Note:- The white line is the ideal racing line through the corner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ikWhv-1w5E


I also refer you to Peter Windsor who gives a brilliant objective analysis of the race

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4cFQAaIdo0

We haven't said much about Leclerc. We saw enough to know that he would have won races this year if the Ferrari was anywhere as good as the Redbull or Mercedes. He has to wait his turn, but for now, he shall be there to pick up the pieces when Redbull and Mercedes get it wrong.

He raised a very important question as well. Where was Bottas when all of that drama was going on? With the Mercedes speed, he pointed out that Bottas should have won the race. But he drove the most uninspired race of the weekend while many others shined.

I think he has done enough to lose his seat next season. He is failing to deliver the level of expectation of the second seat which is to lead the race if Hamilton is unable to do so for whatever reason. He had a bad start but did very little to recover from it and was stuck behind the Mclaren with zero desire to get ahead and try to get in the mix of the front two to benefit from any mishap that might occur.

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Originally Posted by Nitrodaze

You chaps keep going on about Verstappen being on the racing line. Well check this video out, it explains the lines that both drivers took into the corner. And why Verstappen is seen to have a share in the fault of the crash occurring. And why the stewards gave Hamilton a 10 seconds penalty.

Note:- The white line is the ideal racing line through the corner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ikWhv-1w5E


I also refer you to Peter Windsor who gives a brilliant objective analysis of the race

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4cFQAaIdo0

We haven't said much about Leclerc. We saw enough to know that he would have won races this year if the Ferrari was anywhere as good as the Redbull opr Mercedes. He has to wait his turn, but for now he shall be there to pickup the pieces when Redbull amd Mercedes get it wrong.

He raised a very important question as well. Where was Bottas when all of that drama was going on? With the Mercedes speed, he pointed out that Bottas should have won the race. But he drove the most uninspired race of the weekend while many others shined.

I think he has done enough to lose his seat next season. He is failing to deliver the level of expectation of the second seat which is to lead the race if Hamilton is unable to do so for whatever reason. He had a bad start but did very little to recover from it and was stuck behind the Mclaren with zero desire to get ahead and try to get in the mix of the front two to benefit from any mishap that might occur.

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Another point on Bottas is he actually had the optimal Mercedes strategy this race and he was still very poor. As I said before, I've already heard the decision is made and Russell is going to Mercedes next year. He has done nowhere near enough to hold onto his seat.

FORMULA 1
Hamilton more often involved in racing incidents than Verstappen
22nd July 2021, ‎08‎:‎40
Max Verstappen is often portrayed as an aggressive driving driver. Someone who drives at the limit and, according to some, regularly goes over it, while Lewis Hamilton has the image of a very clean driver. Are their respective images correct?
Author Ruud Dimmers

https://racingnews365.com/who-is-inv...-or-verstappen


Honda’s Yamamoto ‘worried’ about Verstappen engine damage
ANDREW MAITLAND
JULY 22, 2021

Red Bull has revealed that Verstappen’s chassis is a total write-off, but the extent to the damage to the Honda engine is less clear.
“I just pray that the power unit is safe,” Yamamoto admitted.

If the engine is scrap, though, that is another major blow to championship leader Verstappen’s title hopes.

“I don’t want to think about that,” said Yamamoto, “but if it happens, we’ll have to think about whether to race with the first or the third engine.

“There are only three engines a year, so it is essential to get it right. I’m worried when I think about the championship battle,” he admitted.

https://grandpx.news/hondas-yamamoto...engine-damage/


Marko predicts ‘even more tense’ rivalry with Mercedes
Date published: July 22 2021 - Jon Wilde

Helmut Marko has acknowledged the relationship between Mercedes and Red Bull after the British Grand Prix will become “even more tense”.

The battle for supremacy between the two World Championship contenders had already been getting increasingly less friendly at team principal level this season.

Toto Wolff and Christian Horner, aided and abetted by Red Bull advisor Marko, have traded insults and threats of protests about each other’s cars.

The drivers, Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen, had been keeping things cleaner on and off track until they collided on the opening lap at Silverstone, with the Dutchman’s car flying into the barrier and out of the race with a 51G impact.

Afterwards, Verstappen criticised his rival’s “disrespectful” and “unsportsmanlike” behaviour for celebrating victory jubilantly at a time when he was in hospital undergoing checks that lasted for a period of several hours.

Marko has reiterated that Red Bull will not seek revenge for what happened, instead happy to let their car do the talking, but does think the rivalry could become even more bitter and fierce as the campaign progresses.

“The relationship will become even more tense. Put it this way, it was never relaxed,” said Marko during an interview with RTL.

“It’s exciting for the spectators. [But] we will behave within fair sporting methods.

“Nothing will upset us. We can’t abandon our concept. We know we have a great package with car, driver and chassis.”

https://www.planetf1.com/news/helmut...cedes-rivalry/


Ecclestone Calls 10-Second Penalty on Hamilton at F1 British Grand Prix a 'Joke'
Hamilton's all-or-nothing takeout of championship rival Max Verstappen has tightened points chase.
BY GLOBAL MOTORSPORTS MEDIA
Jul 21, 2021

Former Formula 1 chief executive Bernie Ecclestone has joined those who believe Lewis Hamilton should have been more harshly penalized for his clash with title rival Max Verstappen at Silverstone.

One round of the former F1 supremo's criticism had already reached Hamilton prior to the incident, when Ecclestone said the Mercedes driver is no longer "the fighter he was." But now, while yachting off the coast of Croatia with his wife and 1-year-old child, 90-year-old Ecclestone is offering his two cents on Formula 1's latest big controversy.

"Lewis' actions did not surprise me," Ecclestone told veteran F1 journalist Roger Benoit. "After five defeats, he had fallen into a deep mental depression and lacked the necessary concentration.

"And since Max is always rock hard, Hamilton played poker and went all-in," Ecclestone told European media outlet Blick newspaper.

Ecclestone was highly critical of the stewards' decision to impose only a 10-second time penalty for the incident that left Verstappen briefly in hospital.

"What you could do is let the two best drivers loose and then talk about a racing accident," Ecclestone said. "But if they think it was dangerous, then a 10-second penalty is a joke. I would have given at least a 30-second penalty."

https://www.autoweek.com/racing/form...d-prix-a-joke/

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

Another point on Bottas is he actually had the optimal Mercedes strategy this race and he was still very poor. As I said before, I've already heard the decision is made and Russell is going to Mercedes next year. He has done nowhere near enough to hold onto his seat.

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Yep, he failed to deliver in the sprint with faster red-walled tyres that should have put him well in the mix of the fight for the lead of the race but faded backwards. In the main race, a very poor start that put him in the clutches of the Mclarens behind. Then he simply just stayed there until he was helped by the Mercedes pit wall to take advantage of Norris' poor pitstop. He certainly did not deserve the podium position. Norris earned it until the McLaren pit crew threw it away.

Who's got the most penalty points on their licences now or in past 12 months.
Yet folk claim max is the dangerous driver here!
I can see where your coming from with Max's line into corner but surely as the leading car he can put his car in s position to make it hard for the car trying to get past.
Hamilton carried way to much speed in a desperate attempt to pass, never got close to the apex (where max had left room) and continued to hit max and send him into the wall.

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Originally Posted by joe1888cfc

Who's got the most penalty points on their licences now or in past 12 months.
Yet folk claim max is the dangerous driver here!
I can see where your coming from with Max's line into corner but surely as the leading car he can put his car in s position to make it hard for the car trying to get past.
Hamilton carried way to much speed in a desperate attempt to pass, never got close to the apex (where max had left room) and continued to hit max and send him into the wall.

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The penalty point system is a joke. There's no consistency and some of the PP that Lando Norris has picked up are laughable.

There's a line between making it hard to pass and doing what Max did. Max can make it hard to pass by taking a wider arc and maintaining more speed, and I dare say, this would have been the most likely move to succeed. Other drivers like Leclerc know this instinctively but Max appears to have an I'll give them as little legal room as possible attitude. This is what we mean by him being uncompromising. Being tough on your opponents is not the same as being smart.

Legally, by the way, neither driver technically did anything wrong but both could have used better judgement.

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

The penalty point system is a joke. There's no consistency and some of the PP that Lando Norris has picked up are laughable.

There's a line between making it hard to pass and doing what Max did. Max can make it hard to pass by taking a wider arc and maintaining more speed, and I dare say, this would have been the most likely move to succeed. Other drivers like Leclerc know this instinctively but Max appears to have an I'll give them as little legal room as possible attitude. This is what we mean by him being uncompromising. Being tough on your opponents is not the same as being smart.

Legally, by the way, neither driver technically did anything wrong but both could have used better judgement.

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That may be true but Hamilton had ten points at one stage in 2020 while max still has zero. There's a big difference.

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Originally Posted by joe1888cfc

That may be true but Hamilton had ten points at one stage in 2020 while max still has zero. There's a big difference.

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I've read that Hamilton has a halo and Max has a dunce cap with devil horns .
That's a big difference .

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

I've read that Hamilton has a halo and Max has a dunce cap with devil horns .
That's a big difference .

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Over exaggeration

No one is calling Verstappen a dunce and you know it. He is one of the most exciting racers to watch, but he is still green around the ears. He still makes immature mistakes of not knowing which battle to fight and which ones to let go and fight again another day. He puts it all on the line each time with a costly result when it does not go his way. He has gambled with his 33 points lead [and his life l might add]; all in. And has come out of it with a net 8 points lead to show for it. Now, that was very smart, wasn't it?

You guys are unbelievable.

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Breaking news, Hamilton arrested for attempted murder...

Wow...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wbt...-incident/amp/

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

I honestly find it very hard to reconcile your opinion and how you can't see that both Saturday and Sunday were very similar but the other way around. I agree, we'll have to agree to disagree but I'm scratching my head here at people that think Hamilton was solely to blame for something Max clearly had and that we've shown has responsibility in as well.

Anyway, it's great to see this topic has somewhat ignited this forum again. It's been too quiet the last number of years.

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yup. At the end of the day. The forum is alive again.
That, I can be thankful for :)

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Originally Posted by Nitrodaze

Over exaggeration

No one is calling Verstappen a dunce and you know it. He is one of the most exciting racers to watch, but he is still green around the ears. He still makes immature mistakes of not know which battle to fight and which ones to let go and fight again another day. He puts it all on the line each time with a costly result when it does not go his way. He has gambled with 33 points lead; all in. And has come out of it with 8 points to show for it. Now, that was very smart, wasn't it?

You guys are unbelievable.

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Max might be a bit "green" as you say, but he always seems to make less mistakes than Lewis. Don't recall max going into a closed pit lane or picking up any other stupid penalties.

Hamilton is under pressure for first time in a long time and you can see that it's getting to him.

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Originally Posted by joe1888cfc

Max might be a bit "green" as you say, but he always seems to make less mistakes than Lewis. Don't recall max going into a closed pit lane or picking up any other stupid penalties.

Hamilton is under pressure for first time in a long time and you can see that it's getting to him.

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Spare me your hate post. If l thought for a moment that you had anything remotely unbiased to say then l shall listen. All you have to offer is pure prejudice.

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Originally Posted by Nitrodaze

Spare me your hate post. If l thought for a moment that you had anything remotely unbiased to say then l shall listen. All you have to offer is pure prejudice.

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Amazing what passes for hate these days.

No bother son, don't want to upset you.

Your a wee soul.
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Mate chill yourself out, it's only a message board about the F1. Don't let a prick like me get you annoyed.

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Originally Posted by joe1888cfc

Mate chill yourself out, it's only a message board about the F1. Don't let a prick like me get you annoyed.

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I don't think that of you or anyone that posts on here btw. We all have our opinions. The discussion was about "was it a racing incident or not". Not about who has more points on their licence. If anything, that Hamilton has more points on his license only goes to show that the steward's office always comes down on him hard for the slightest infraction. He has to be impeccable with his conduct and driving because he knows he would not get the benefit of the doubt.

Your post only shows you do not understand or care about his circumstances. Nor do you find odd the over-reaction that we are seeing for what is largely stated to be a racing incident by racing experts. So you would forgive me for my reaction, as l find it a bit much.

By the way, Hamilton rarely makes mistakes. This is a sport of very fine margins. It is about precision and the edge that the leading team has is very small and can varnish inexplicably at the next race. So every point is fought for with enormous resources and the racecraft of the driver in the car. The team trust the driver's judgement to make the right decision in the heat of racing.

So when Verstappen squanders a huge amount of Redbulls points. I can see why they would want to make Hamilton a scapegoat for it. At the end of the day, we objective thinkers on this forum would ask the question, "did Verstappen do enough to avoid the incident and protect his 33 points lead in the driver's championship?". And the general consensus is that "NO" he did not do enough to protect his 33 points and the team's constructors points.

He failed in his responsibility there. Making that failure Hamilton's fault is what we have been arguing for the last 25 pages of this thread.

Redbull carries on as if they have been robbed of valuable points. They fail to see that there is a valuable lesson to learn here and to sit their driver down to have a conversation about it.

You don't win championships this way. There are too many great drivers on the current grid. Hence intelligent risk-taking is paramount to defeating the current best driver on the grid. The arrogance of having the fastest car does not guarantee success either.

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Originally Posted by Nitrodaze

I don't think that of you or anyone that posts on here btw. We all have our opinions. The discussion was about "was it a racing incident or not". Not about who has more points on their licence. If anything, that Hamilton has more points on his license only goes to show that the steward's office always comes down on him hard for the slightest infraction. He has to be impeccable with his conduct and driving because he knows he would not get the benefit of the doubt.

Your post only shows you do not understand or care about his circumstances. Nor do you find odd the over-reaction that we are seeing for what is largely stated to be a racing incident by racing experts. So you would forgive me for my reaction, as l find it a bit much.

By the way, Hamilton rarely makes mistakes.

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I agree, max makes less though.

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Originally Posted by joe1888cfc

I agree, max makes less though.

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Who cares. It is about who is going to win the championship when we get to Abu Dhabi. At Abu Dhabi, nobody would care one bit about who made fewer mistakes. But they would certainly care about who won it.

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Originally Posted by joe1888cfc

I agree, max makes less though.

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I think you have a short memory. Max has made mistakes this year. Sakhir - ran wide at turn 4 - then later on in the lap at turn 13 lost the car, his only opportunity to DRS Hamilton and he blows it, costing him a certain victory. France, lost it at turn one. Lost it on on the restart in Imola and barely held it. I'm sure there have been a few more errors too that I have forgotten about. Hamilton has made some more mistakes this year than normal, I agree but, apart from Baku, which unsure if accidentally hitting the magic brake button in the middle of a restart could really count as a real driving mistake, it hasn't proven too costly.

They've both made their fair share of mistakes. I just think people are remembering Hamilton's more because he has been impervious for so long. Age might also be an issue, I remember Michael Schumacher making a lot of mistakes in his last couple of seasons compared to normal. Perhaps, like Michael, his fire is beginning to burn out.

‘Hamilton’s post-race partying was sickening’
Date published: July 22 2021 - Michelle Foster

Robert Doornbos is the latest to criticise Lewis Hamilton’s post-race celebrations, saying it was “sickening” to do so while Max Verstappen was in hospital.

It’s been written about many times in the past few days with just about everyone voicing an opinion on the big one – Verstappen and Hamilton’s British Grand Prix crash.

Fighting for the lead on the opening lap, the two clashed at Copse as Hamilton tried to pass up the inside, missed the apex and made contract.

With the contact putting Verstappen into the tyre barrier at 51G, and subsequently into the hospital for further checks after he reported feeling dizzy, tensions have been running high with Red Bull saying they are still considering legal action.

The mood in the Milton Keynes camp, as well as Verstappen’s home country, wasn’t helped by Hamilton’s post-race celebrations with the Brit marking his victory with his fans.

Verstappen called that “disrespectful” while, according to grandpx.news, Doornbos has told Ziggo Sport that the “partying” while Verstappen was in hospital was “sickening”.

He added: “He went from hero to zero as a sportsman in that moment.

“Winning your home race is special, but with a penalty, a team-mate who lets you pass and knocking his rival off, I didn’t think it was fitting.”

Jack Plooij agreed with his fellow pundit.

“He shouldn’t have been partying,” he said. “The team should have told him that Max was in hospital so he shouldn’t do that for a while. That was really not good.

“If you preach about respect all year long, and then you want that respect from someone else, then you have to give it out as well.”

https://www.planetf1.com/news/robert...-celebrations/


LEWIS HAMILTON
Ralf Schumacher points the finger at Hamilton: That isn't a place to overtake
Author Adriano Boin
Today, ‎14‎:‎45
Lewis Hamilton took the chequered flag at the British GP, however his incident with Max Verstappen remains the big talking point. Ralf Schumacher believes the actions of the Mercedes driver were borderline.

https://racingnews365.com/ralf-schum...ce-to-overtake


Honda still don’t know if Max’s engine survived
Date published: July 22 2021 - Henry Valantine

Honda F1’s managing director has said the manufacturer are ‘praying’ for good news surrounding Max Verstappen’s damaged Silverstone power unit.

Masashi Yamamoto said that the engine involved in Verstappen’s high-speed crash at the British Grand Prix has now been taken out of the car, and there are assessments being run as to whether or not parts will have to be replaced completely.

Should that be the case, that could lead to grid penalties for Red Bull in future races if they go above their allotted parts for the season, which Yamamoto said could hinder their hopes in the World Championship.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/honda-...gine-survival/


Red Bull 'reviewing evidence' in Hamilton/Verstappen clash as FIA defends penalty
Ben Issatt
Formula 1
22 July 2021

Red Bull are considering their next move as the fallout from Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen's clash at Silverstone continues.

The Anglo-Austrian squad was furious seeing their Dutch driver hit the barrier at high-speed after being tagged by the Mercedes entering Copse on Lap 1 at last Sunday's British Grand Prix.

Red Bull was even angrier when Hamilton recovered from a 10-second penalty he was given by the stewards to claim victory, reducing the gap to Verstappen in the Drivers' Championship to just eight points.

As a result, it is reported the team has hired a lawyer to look over the regulations and the incident itself to see if any further action should be pursued.

"We are reviewing all the evidence before making any further decisions," a spokesman said.

https://www.insideracing.com/formula...efends-penalty

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Originally Posted by Nitrodaze

Over exaggeration

No one is calling Verstappen a dunce and you know it. He is one of the most exciting racers to watch, but he is still green around the ears. He still makes immature mistakes of not knowing which battle to fight and which ones to let go and fight again another day. He puts it all on the line each time with a costly result when it does not go his way. He has gambled with his 33 points lead [and his life l might add]; all in. And has come out of it with a net 8 points lead to show for it. Now, that was very smart, wasn't it?

You guys are unbelievable.

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Well , I've seen "foolish" , and "not smart" , and "has a lot to learn" , so I think the dunce cap fits , doesn't it ?

And , hyper-objective you can't tell me anything Lewis did wrong here , can you ?

I rest my case .

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Well , I've seen "foolish" , and "not smart" , and "has a lot to learn" , so I think the dunce cap fits , doesn't it ?

And , hyper-objective you can't tell me anything Lewis did wrong here , can you ?

I rest my case .

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Once Hamilton had committed to going on the inside and got alongside Verstappen, he should have not backed out of the throttle. His backing out, put Verstappen a half car length ahead at the corner which gave Verstappen the idea to attempt to close him down. Of course, that is what lead to the crash.

Actually, this point highlights why Verstappen is an exciting driver to watch. He braked so very late, that really freaked out Hamilton. It was scary brave. If he had just kept a wider line through the corner, that would have been the most amazing defence this season.


That corner also shows that Hamilton is getting closer to his retirement age. The limits that the young drivers are willing to go, is becoming too much for him l think. And Verstappen showed that very clearly this Silverstone weekend. He brake so late it seemed it would be impossible for him to slow the car enough to get round the corner. But he had it under control, which is also a testament for how great the Redbull car is.

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‘Hamilton’s post-race partying was sickening’
Date published: July 22 2021 - Michelle Foster

Robert Doornbos is the latest to criticise Lewis Hamilton’s post-race celebrations, saying it was “sickening” to do so while Max Verstappen was in hospital.

It’s been written about many times in the past few days with just about everyone voicing an opinion on the big one – Verstappen and Hamilton’s British Grand Prix crash.

Fighting for the lead on the opening lap, the two clashed at Copse as Hamilton tried to pass up the inside, missed the apex and made contract.

With the contact putting Verstappen into the tyre barrier at 51G, and subsequently into the hospital for further checks after he reported feeling dizzy, tensions have been running high with Red Bull saying they are still considering legal action.

The mood in the Milton Keynes camp, as well as Verstappen’s home country, wasn’t helped by Hamilton’s post-race celebrations with the Brit marking his victory with his fans.

Verstappen called that “disrespectful” while, according to grandpx.news, Doornbos has told Ziggo Sport that the “partying” while Verstappen was in hospital was “sickening”.

He added: “He went from hero to zero as a sportsman in that moment.

“Winning your home race is special, but with a penalty, a team-mate who lets you pass and knocking his rival off, I didn’t think it was fitting.”

Jack Plooij agreed with his fellow pundit.

“He shouldn’t have been partying,” he said. “The team should have told him that Max was in hospital so he shouldn’t do that for a while. That was really not good.

“If you preach about respect all year long, and then you want that respect from someone else, then you have to give it out as well.”

https://www.planetf1.com/news/robert...-celebrations/


LEWIS HAMILTON
Ralf Schumacher points the finger at Hamilton: That isn't a place to overtake
Author Adriano Boin
Today, ‎14‎:‎45
Lewis Hamilton took the chequered flag at the British GP, however his incident with Max Verstappen remains the big talking point. Ralf Schumacher believes the actions of the Mercedes driver were borderline.

https://racingnews365.com/ralf-schum...ce-to-overtake


Honda still don’t know if Max’s engine survived
Date published: July 22 2021 - Henry Valantine

Honda F1’s managing director has said the manufacturer are ‘praying’ for good news surrounding Max Verstappen’s damaged Silverstone power unit.

Masashi Yamamoto said that the engine involved in Verstappen’s high-speed crash at the British Grand Prix has now been taken out of the car, and there are assessments being run as to whether or not parts will have to be replaced completely.

Should that be the case, that could lead to grid penalties for Red Bull in future races if they go above their allotted parts for the season, which Yamamoto said could hinder their hopes in the World Championship.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/honda-...gine-survival/


Red Bull 'reviewing evidence' in Hamilton/Verstappen clash as FIA defends penalty
Ben Issatt
Formula 1
22 July 2021

Red Bull are considering their next move as the fallout from Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen's clash at Silverstone continues.

The Anglo-Austrian squad was furious seeing their Dutch driver hit the barrier at high-speed after being tagged by the Mercedes entering Copse on Lap 1 at last Sunday's British Grand Prix.

Red Bull was even angrier when Hamilton recovered from a 10-second penalty he was given by the stewards to claim victory, reducing the gap to Verstappen in the Drivers' Championship to just eight points.

As a result, it is reported the team has hired a lawyer to look over the regulations and the incident itself to see if any further action should be pursued.

"We are reviewing all the evidence before making any further decisions," a spokesman said.

https://www.insideracing.com/formula...efends-penalty

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You have stooped quite low now. Scraping the bottom of the barrel quoting from rookies and failed F1 drivers. It would be gameshow hosts and hookers in the streets next

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Originally Posted by joe1888cfc

Amazing what passes for hate these days.

No bother son, don't want to upset you.

Your a wee soul.
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don't bother with him. hamilton is like a god to him, so everything that is not unconditional praise is considered hate to him.

no point in discussing with someone like that.

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Originally Posted by denkimi

don't bother with him. hamilton is like a god to him, so everything that is not unconditional praise is considered hate to him.

no point in discussing with someone like that.

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I am relieved to hear that. Happy not to chat with you too.

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Originally Posted by joe1888cfc

Max might be a bit "green" as you say, but he always seems to make less mistakes than Lewis. Don't recall max going into a closed pit lane or picking up any other stupid penalties.

Hamilton is under pressure for first time in a long time and you can see that it's getting to him.

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You did say this was a "hate post"

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Originally Posted by Nitrodaze

Once Hamilton had committed to going on the inside and got alongside Verstappen, he should have not backed out of the throttle. His backing out, put Verstappen a half car length ahead at the corner which gave Verstappen the idea to attempt to close him down. Of course, that is what lead to the crash.

Actually, this point highlights why Verstappen is an exciting driver to watch. He braked so very late, that really freaked out Hamilton. It was scary brave. If he had just kept a wider line through the corner, that would have been the most amazing defence this season.


That corner also shows that Hamilton is getting closer to his retirement age. The limits that the young drivers are willing to go, is becoming too much for him l think. And Verstappen showed that very clearly this Silverstone weekend. He brake so late it seemed it would be impossible for him to slow the car enough to get round the corner. But he had it under control, which is also a testament for how great the Redbull car is.

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So , you're saying Hamilton wasn't aggressive enough ?

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Originally Posted by Nitrodaze

I am relieved to hear that. Happy not to chat with you too.

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oh, i'm willing to talk with you about pretty much everything.

just not when it involves hamilton, because at that moment all your objectivity dissapears.

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You did say this was a "hate post"

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Give me a break, l am having a hard time at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

So , you're saying Hamilton wasn't aggressive enough ?

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Come on Baggie!

I am saying they would have kept each other in check if he had not chickened out of the corner.

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Originally Posted by denkimi

oh, i'm willing to talk with you about pretty much everything.

just not when it involves hamilton, because at that moment all your objectivity dissapears.

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Deal! Happy to do that too.

Redbull cost to fix Verstappen's car £1.3m.

The cost of reckless risk-taking

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Originally Posted by Nitrodaze

Redbull cost to fix Verstappen's car £1.3m.

The cost of reckless risk-taking

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I wonder how much it will cost Mercedes when the favor is returned?

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Originally Posted by F1nKS

I wonder how much it will cost Mercedes when the favor is returned?

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Probably the same. But the tit for tat would ruin both teams. It would degrade the championship battle into a bitter war which is not the entertainment the fans are paying to watch. Redbull and you Redbull fans should man up and take this one on the chin as a racing incident. Any intentional stuff would inspire further intentional retaliation.

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Originally Posted by Nitrodaze

Redbull cost to fix Verstappen's car £1.3m.

The cost of reckless risk-taking

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Mercedes should be made to pay that to red bull since it's been proven to be Hamilton's fault.

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Originally Posted by Nitrodaze

Probably the same. But the tit for tat would ruin both teams. It would degrade the championship battle into a bitter war which is not the entertainment the fans are paying to watch. Redbull and you Redbull fans should man up and take this one on the chin as a racing incident. Any intentional stuff would inspire further intentional retaliation.

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If it was a racing incident, Hamilton wouldn't have got a penalty.

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Originally Posted by joe1888cfc

If it was a racing incident, Hamilton wouldn't have got a penalty.

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If both were knocked out of the race at Copse I doubt he'd have received a penalty either.

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Originally Posted by joe1888cfc

Mercedes should be made to pay that to red bull since it's been proven to be Hamilton's fault.

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That would be a first in F1. It would suggest, Mercedes should have protested harder that Hamilton was not solely at fault. Besides this has never been the case in F1 history. Only anti-Hamilton sentiments would suggest that such a thing should be introduced. Now tell that your comments are not with some level of prejudice.

We didn't hear that when Verstappen took out Hamilton's front wing at the first race of the season. Double standards.

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Originally Posted by joe1888cfc

If it was a racing incident, Hamilton wouldn't have got a penalty.

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Penalty is not always an indication of sole fault.

I'd bring it in from next season, of your found at fault for causing a crash that damages another teams car, the guilty team should pay the costs

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