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Why would Hyundai not renew? He's still easily one of the 4 TOP drivers. If they don't renew, Thierry could walk into Toyota for free to replace Ogier when he retires.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
Thierry might be the one who won't sign on again at Hyundai, as he might think he has a better chance of a drivers title in a Yaris.
Maybe i am too romantic... but i see Neuville back to M-Sport to finish the work.
I could see Hyundai not renewing in case of one or more of the following:
- Neuville starts to crash more trying to keep up with Tanak (Estonia this year..) or Toyotas which causes Toyota to win manu
- Neuville is regularly slowest of the 3 Hyundais (again Estonia this year, but Finland and Sardinia in 2019 also come to mind)
- another driver (Breen, Huttunen or even Solberg) show that they can be a reliable podium fighter for Hyundai
At this moment I would given maybe 20% chance to that happening.
With the lastest rumours someone created that calendar. It looks good.
https://scontent.fopo3-1.fna.fbcdn.n...1c&oe=60001E58
How great would this be, lets hope for the best!Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
don't think Monza will be run in summer. it can be last round in December as 2020, looking for winter condition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
i dont see it happening. He will be heavily involved with the development of the 2022 machine and it would be weird then to jump into a new team and unknown car (for him).Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
but then again, like mknight says, if he will be outperformed by other drivers regularly maybe then? but overall i really doubt he will leave Hyundai.
and i have kind of the same "dream" with Tänak. How cool it would be if he would go to M-sport for his final year and bring one of the titles to Malcolm for everything he did for him and believing in him? :)
Tänak should drive his final year with TGR ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
The game will change in 2022 with the new cars, and it's not guaranteed Neuville will be paired as well to the new car as he is to the current one. I believe everyone considers this.
But then again, Neuville has been in the team since the beginning, the only one to drive full seasons every year. That's also something to be valued.
What "final year"?Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Has he sat a fixed date on retirement?
Whenever he decides to quit.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
At the moment Tänak is so involved with Hyundai, that it's hard to see him leaving in near future. Additionally for his driving skills, he is known good mechanic and brain to build and set up cars, he was hired to develop new cars.
Additionally he is involved in business level by providing service for R5 cars via Red-Grey with Markko Märtin.
... however bullet-proof it may sound here, it can be all gone and changed with just one political decision on higher level. Like it was with VW for example...
You were right thankfully.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Planetemarcus apologised for his source giving bad info.
Well while on first look Hyundai seems like a better deal, both have pros and cons:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Hyundai deal
+ "secure" for 2 years, so he doesn't need to risk in 2021 and can learn rallies
+ they have WRC car, possible part in development of 2022 car
- might struggle with current I20, not sure new car is reliable (so he won't learn rallies)
- still needs to show some speed
Skoda(Toksport)
+ reliable car and guaranteed performance for at least first half of 2021 (before Hyundai comes), likely whole year
- has to show multiple good results to be hired at end of 2021
Might have been one of the three options he hadQuote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
I was thankful because I expected Chris Ingram to drive with Toksport and get their full attention.
Are you the only fan he has? Your support to this guy is annoying
No there are many, as seen when we crowd-funded him.Quote:
Originally Posted by 371
But its easy to forget such drivers when they have no family backing. The 2019 European Rally Champion deserves some support and it helps to keep him on the radar.
Similar to Emil B then?
Who ? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
its easy to forget because he hasnt pace against other erc drivers,and didnt impress somebody.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Now maybe you understood when before one year, plenty guys from here told you, that he didnt deserved the championship,he was just lucky.
Support me too. I have almost the same amount titles he asQuote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
I think that most of us supported his campaign for his passion and to give him a boost for his future. As a European champion he had much better position for dealing with sponsors and teams for his own future. Sadly if that was not enough to help him than there is probably nothing else what could. Those who has the money and will to help someone fresh and young obviously won't support a man who already made it to the champion's crown. Being a champion also puts you in a position in which you need to take care of yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Chris was not able to manage all money for WRC2/3 budget. But he was entered with Fabia R5 to Azores to defend his ERC title. But coronavirus has changed the situation for him and also Toksport a lot...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
there were money,but didnt spend? or i didnt understand?Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Hänninen to tutor Katsuta at Toyota
Former Toyota Gazoo Racing driver Juho Hänninen has backed Takamoto Katsuta to succeed in his first full FIA World Rally Championship season in 2021.
https://www.wrc.com/en/news/season-2...uta-at-toyota/
Ingram is working so hard to get budget but is constantly let-down by sponsors who promise and then dont deliver. Just last week he was on the verge of annoucing a sponsor to do Monte Carlo when they pulled out.
Sadly its super-hard trying to get rally sponsorship from the UK as the profile of the sport is so low. And Motorsport UK have done nothing compared to what other countries do for their driver's.
Apart from Greensmith and Yates who have big family money behind them, no other Brits have made it to WRC level for years. Ingram should've been our next hope but isnt getting the chance.
Just like what happened to Emil B a couple of years ago then.
We just have to accept that fortune no matter talent, is a big factor. Let´s think of all brilliant drivers never made it to the top during all times...
Maybe a list on Bar topic?
Link of transmission components in 2021 will be:
Portugal / Italy
Estonia / Finland
Spain / Japan
The way I understand it, this Teams championship is for WRC teams which must participate in 7 rounds with 1-2 cars. So for example Hyundai's 2C team? Kubica/Kajto team? M-Sport won't do full season? Toyota's second team for Katsuta?
A full manufacturer team must participate in all rallies with two cars.
Then again, the point of the "second teams" goes if they are not taking points from the rival manufacturer teams. Will be interesting to see which teams participate.
WRC Manufacturer entry fee is 326 000 euros
WRC Team entry fee is 22050 euros
That's some difference...
In this era you need talent, money/sponsors & connections; more and more we are seeing 'sons of' taking seats in motorsport disciplines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Some 'sons of' can drive as well. Being a 'son of' can give you faster lift to some level, but then you need to be the guy to deliver to stay there or climb higher.
Like Ingram...? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
To take Evans, Rovanpera and Solberg as examples - all three are absolutely incredible drivers. For some reason, in my mind, Rovanpera and Solberg are once in a generation talents, but then I think Evans might be unstoppable next year, so he may well be up there too.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Colin McRae was son of someone...
IMO neither of those 3 can be said to be "absolutely incredible" yet. Each and everyone of them can still prove it though.Quote:
Originally Posted by T16
Rovanpera did get youngest podium, but in terms of experience (rallies driven) he was certainly no novice.
Solberg did show great progress, but actually hasn't won much yet.
Evans has 3 rally wins out of 6! seasons in WRC and one second place in championship. He has shown rally winning pace in Sweden and near rally winning pace in Monte, not so much in any of the other rallies. The main reason for coming so close to title was consistency and no technical issues until Monza.
For me there are at most two "absolutely incredible" drivers driving atm, Ogier and Tanak (title and his stage winning streak (until Monte)). Loeb off course as well but he retired again. But I get peoples rankings might differ.
More new rules for 2021:
The latter probably is the reason why Rally Finland cannot run their 2020 route in 2021. They would have run 7 stages on the Friday afternoon.Quote:
10.1.4 SPECIAL STAGE OVERLAP
The choice and timing of the special stages must be such that
there is no overlap of at least the first 15 cars on any special
stage before the start of the next special stage at normal
intervals.
10.1.5 NUMBER OF SPECIAL STAGES BETWEEN SERVICES
The construction of any itinerary that contains any more than
4 special stages (under the exclusion of a super special stage,
if any) between two services is subject to FIA and WRC
Promoter’s written approval.
O.K. and fair enough, but I think the pace of Solberg and Rovanpera, given their ages means they are both incredible. Of course they will get better, but even so, I'm astonished by them both.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
You're talking post tense regarding Evans - you'll note, my saying he may be up there too was dependant on what happens next year, not what he's done this far.
I've just got a feeling that he really will build on this year and fill a lot of the gaps in. He's clearly a thinker, always learning and he certainly doesn't look out of ideas _ I'm pretty sure there's more to come from him.
Of course Ogier and Tanak are the best at the moment, but I wasn't comparing anyone to anyone else, more commenting on three 'sons of' who have made it (ok - very nearly) to the very top level.
This "Son thing" is not happening only in motorsport.
Same for many other sports. It could have something to do with what is discussed around the kitchen table day in and day out.
You will automatically pick up a lot of info, to make your understanding of the sport down to the details very different than in a home where no one habe a clue on what you are training to become good in.
Think of a dinner in the Solberg home, compared to a boy or girl asking his/her parents on something regarding their sport, that they have no clue on. The answers will be dramaticaly different, and same with the kids output. This happens every day for many years, and also being at rallies picking up details of driver talk and discussion on set-up, driving, tyres and so on, and so on.
But as said here, your upbringing will only get you so far, then you will have to deliver on your own. And in the car you are on your own making your own desicions every second. Then it is more and more training, and the 10 000 hours it takes to reach the top in every sport, as a rule of thumb.
So even if you are a "rich brat", there is something in here money cant buy, to become world champion in rally.
As we saw in F1 a couple of weeks ago, when a driver took Hamiltons car for a race and led the race and could have won, if not Mercedes had fuc..... up. That will never happen in rally!