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Originally Posted by Jarek Z
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Novikov's way. Will end with a same result. russians :/Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
https://www.czechrally.com/wcd/docs/...ion_coc_12.pdf
CoC decision about Franceschi
Stage was red flagged and cancelled so its same time for everyone on that class, definitely will be appealed. They have do take results after SS14, Franceschi's car issues have nothing do with it.
SS 15 - Kašava
SS length: 24.88km
''Stage is cancelled. Other crews will use alternate route.''
Sorry but You can't take results after SS14. It's not working like that. That would be possible only if the stage was canceled for all crews. That was not the case, some 20 or so crews reached the finish. It's simply not possible to have results of one class with 15 stages and of the other with 14. They were all alocated notional times and there is nowhere written that all must get same time as in this case. If Franceschi really had electrical issues and was stopped in the stage before it was red flagged then it's simply an unfortunate case not a wrong CoC decision.
FYI if this happened in WRC everyone would get stage time based on his performance in the first loop i.e. Torn would get time with a puncture and Cais would maybe win.
At least same time for everyone at that class on SS15. technically it was cancelled for R2.
And how the allocated notional time can be exactly + 01:00.0 that makes no sense
That stage Gryazin said would be good for the onboards.. they put the whole thing online:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l7FCcXbif8s
If I’m not mistaken, decisions of notional times can’t be appealedQuote:
Originally Posted by svstock
So the €100k prize to help the leading Junior continue the fight for the Title on he next two events goes to the guy who is 33 points behind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
I dont think they thought it through.
The guy did not start in the first two events. He did only four events while four counts. It means that the guy had zero jokers unlike the others and he still won. No, that's not a mistake of the rules. He made it harder to himself (due to the missing budget coming afaik from Yates's pre-season change of plans).Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
I heard M-Sport appealed not against the time alocated to Franceschi but protested against the one alocated to Llarena because there were some reports Llarena drove with a puncture before the stage was canceled. Take it as a rumor only.Quote:
Originally Posted by svstock
What I know for sure is that Cais was fastest halfway the stage and quite possibly would win the rally if Vlček didn't crash.
from Francheschis facebook
877/5000
What a desappointment..
At the last ES of this Barum Rally, we have had to stop 3 times due to a technical problem on our Ford Fiesta.
After leaving, the red flag �� was triggered following the accident of a competitor preceding us .. (red flag = SS canceled). In our misfortune we are lucky ..
But, well after the end of hostilities, GPS analysis was requested by a competitor.
Appraisal: estimate of our loss of time close to a minute ..
Decision: 1 minute added to the lump sum.
So we do not win this Barum Rally and our teammate Ken Torn is not ERC Junior Champion ... really sad and frustrated for the whole Msport team .. ������
We will remember our beautiful performance ... the job was done ..
Sometimes there are complicated decisions to understand.
Nothing more to say...
Official results are signed by FIA stewards: https://www.czechrally.com/wcd/docs/...cation-erc.pdf
Ingram's onboard SS9 which he won: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3Jrmg0iAZE
That stage was from 2/3 new for everyone (not used in last 11 years). I was at 4:43 in the first run and 5:25 in the second one.
Was Passats de Canto video already here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-P7mgNRf4U
Crash of Lahola: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlhNbuRrWL8
at least we have a explanation now but estonian rally god strikes again i must say.....
but how come they come up with the 1 minute loss? maybe he would have lost 2 minutes with his problem or wouldnt even reached the stage end without red flag? then would have Torn ended up in 4th place and had been the champ.
man it is so hard to be estonian rally fan with all the rotten luck all the time.
strange, strange and strange.Quote:
Originally Posted by KKS
In my opinion crash - is a significant damage to the car, like Azores this year.
if you check thoroughly, the main part of Lucas's offs were pure technical, as the Opel was not a car to depend upon. some Fiesta offs were driven by fragile arms, that were made stronger afterwards per our (and others) requests.
also Azores this year, though spectacular, crash was not caused by Alexey's mistake, but due to technical factor.
of course, there are mistakes. Here I will support Gryazin's philosophy - you better be fast than crawl to get some points. the most disgusting feeling after the rally there you have to get to the finish to score in zero-risk mode. (BTW even here you can get a puncture or a rock that will crash half of suspension)
Ok, the wheels can be damaged due to drivers mistake, like our ss15, but for ss8, with slow puncture... it is obviously impossible to figure out what actually happened, especially as the tire was already used one. and to call it crash sounds more of stupidity.
so, I rather suggest you change your sofa and start to track Alexey's performance using some analytical skills.
PS Novikov was supported by his sponsors. it was his own decision to reject
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What penalty (aka revision of notional time) is fair enough for puncture on the cancelled stage?One minute at least!
#BarumRally
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECUVTgRX...g&name=900x900
100% correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Nikolay reminds me of a young Colin McRae in his style and attitude.
ERC is not his focus this year and he has a pretty good finishing record in WRC2, where he is trying to learn the events without taking too may risks.
Career retirement rate for NG is 22%. McRae was 34%.
So please let's not assassinate this young guy, who is probably the most spectacular driver in the world to watch right now.
What is the Yates connection ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Two cars in the team mean less cost per each.
Ingram - Lord of the Night https://youtu.be/v3Jrmg0iAZE
It is clear that Llarena is going to have atleast +1min penalty.
No. Official results are signed by FIA (as posted on the previous page). Moreover the talk about penalties is nonsense. Nobody got any penalty. Notional time is not a penalty. Llarena was simply lucky that he was not stopped in the stage (moreover repeatedly) as Franceschi was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carbon
The thing is that notional times are always unfair to someone. My friend Erik Cais could have won his first ERC3-J event here if the stage was not canceled for him but in the same time his former co-driver was sitting in the crashed car and required medical assistance. Sometimes it's like that.
Or Vatanen (another WDC) on his earlier days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Got Mail
PS: congrats to Kopecky for the win and Mares for the U28 title. Hat off for Lukyanuk, Gryazin and Ingram; it's never easy to figth Czech top drivers on Barum.
The fact is that Gryazin or Lukaynuk are the reason why you decide to travel to such distant events. These guys are so crazy to watch that sometimes you feel even scared about them crashing too hard. But you can always bet that it will be passes of these guys you will take home with you in your memories.
The crash of Vlček: https://www.facebook.com/mediasport....ZQbO4c&fref=nf
And another view of Melengari's crash: https://www.facebook.com/mediasport....ZQbO4c&fref=nf
M-Sport can appeal to FIA. It takes weeks (like Ogier situation).
Yes, thats what i meant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
Can't really compare retirement rates from a time without "superrally" with today when even "local" events allow restart after crash.Quote:
Originally Posted by Got Mail
There is no denying he is spectacular. What I react to is how is worshiped as next WRC driver/champion on same level as Rovanpera when in contrary to Kalle he is very rarely able to keep the speed to the finish.
Yes the popular saying goes that it is harder to make a reliable driver fast than to make a fast driver reliable, but that does not mean that a fast driver will become reliable. (see Duval). Yet often people interpret it like that.
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Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
Not, as I said yesterday I think that allocation of notional times can't be appealed (couldn't find the exact article of the code, if someone knows), and moreover the final classification doesn't indicate that is subject to any appeal lodged by M-Sport, only fuel analysis on some carsQuote:
Originally Posted by Carbon
I´m glad he didn´t hit the fence one meter earlier on his car. Then he wouldn´t be sitting in a rallycar any more. Or any car.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sal the 2nd
Depends on how much time you have lost until the red flag appeared. Not afterwards. So who knows?Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Please indicate which rallies that NG has finished using SuperRally or restart after accident.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
(A clue - there aren't any.)
Based on which rule?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
No entry was made for name M-Sport. Franceschi was private entered.
M-sport was only car manufacturer in this case, I don´t think they have rights to appeal.
Štajf's big crash on the last stage is here: https://youtu.be/mobksISVvzk?t=390 He was blinded by the sun.
Let's make a small report this time :)
At first I'd like to say that despite not so star-filled entry list this edition was one of the most spectacular ever at least for me. I had a great time on stages and I will remember it for a long time. Also spectating was again easier, sometimes the marshals were maybe relaxed even too much but for spectating it was definitely a plus.
This year the rally was nearly completely dry. Last year it was a crash galore on the wet roads but the crashes mostly happened in lower speed. This time there were also many accidents but a lot of them were pretty hard ones. Speedy recovery to all those who got injured! Barum isn't any walk in the park and it can be cruel as hell.
We can say that Jan Kopecký is now what Loix used to be in Ypres. He knows perfectly how to drive fast enough and with smallest possible risk in the same time. He can well control himself and wait for the others to make seamingly inevitable mistakes trying to beat him. Alex Lukyanuk actually looked calmer with the Citroën than what we were used to. Of course he had some wild moments but it's Gryazin who took over as the mad Russian geroi now. In fact Lukyanuk was the first one to fight for the podium here with Citroën since Simon Jean-Joseph with C2 S1600 some 12-13 years a go! What to say about Nikolai Gryazin? Blindingly fast and crazy. Watching him was pure joy but in the same time you really felt that this must end with a crash and you only hoped it won't be too bad one.
The fight between Filip Mareš and Chris Ingram for the junior title was another highlight of the event. I'm actually amazed that they both made it without mistakes till the closest possible finish! I hope the fight continues in Hungary and on Cyprus and that we'll have a great battle for the overal title with Alex Lukyanuk and Lukasz Habaj.
Allready before the event I was really looking forward to the ERC3-J drivers and I was not disappointed. Quite the opposite, I was amazed by them. It was interesting to see how hugely different the Fiestas and the Peugeots are. Fiesta has a lot of torque and power but it looks somewhat less stable and often all over the place. As I already wrote before I rate Franceschi as the most impressive driver of the weekend for me. He was crazy spectacular but he didn't make any misakes and considering he has never driven Barum or any other Czech event before I can only applaud him. The Fiesta drivers were driving interestingly. While Franceschi was all over the place, Torn was driving the cleanest and calmest of them. Cais was somewhere in between. From Peugeot drivers Llarena was very aggressive but pretty precise while Furuseth looked interestingly calm and smooth (I was actually always amazed by his times compared to the appearance on stage).
Yeah, that's it. Next year it's 50th aniversary of the event and I am pretty sure the organizers will try to make it special.
Back from another great Barum Rally! It was the 6th time I visited this event, and it keeps amazing me. Seen great competition from R5 and R2 class, some amazing action. Two drivers of the rally for me are Gryazin and Franchesci. Gryazin crashed, but I think it was impossible to not crash, when driving like this. Every time we saw him, we couldn't believe now fast he was going! I'm watching rallies for a good number of years now, and I can honestly say I've never seen someone attacking that hard! Seeing an R5 car totally sideways in corners at 150kph on tarmac, it's something different... :) For the other top R5 cars, Kopecky did what we expected. Lukyanuk a bit unlucky with his retirement. The C3 needs cleaner driving than the Fiesta, and he clearly adapted to it. However I hope to see him in another car next year... :) From Mares and Ingram both very strong performance, nice to see the fight lasting till the very end! Very strong competition in R2 with many drivers on the same level, it was almost as crazy to watch as the R5 cars. Franchesci was extremely strong, especially for it being his first Barum Rally. Certainly a driver we need to keep an eye on!
A few photos.
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Link to my album: https://www.facebook.com/pg/rallyima...17914718220391
@Tom amazing photo with Gryazin sideways.!