Funniest thing I've read today, you haven't been to Torsby or Hagfors have you?Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
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Funniest thing I've read today, you haven't been to Torsby or Hagfors have you?Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
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Originally Posted by DocMS
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Posted picture shows a week with plus degrees and rain... in that case the roads would be destroyed. I'm not saying thats true forecast, just reffering to exact picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
It's a more complex situation than one weather forecast. The Norway stages will have different climate to that of the Saturday stages, and in the forests there are more shady and more open places. And like we saw in 2016 the organizers can still do a lot by canceling the worst stages and repairing the better ones to make the rally run through instead of canceling altogether. And finally, these forecasts are for a week ahead, and that is still almost a full week before the rally starts. A lot can still happen. We just have to wait.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lead
Sure thing. I have been to rally Sweden many times, so I know how weather differentiates in that region. I just want the best possible weather conditions for drivers and spectators to enjoy the event, so these "+" degrees for a long period of time, doesnt do any good.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
https://www.yr.no/place/Sweden/V%C3%...rsby/long.html
Now the forecast has at least turned better, being on the plus degrees only from Saturday morning to Monday afternoon, returning onto good minus degrees on Tuesday, meaning it should create a good ice layer. But again, it's too early to predict that far. But at least I wouldn't be worried about the rally being cancelled.
Yeah, Foreca seems to be on similar tracks. Really early days though. Lets see.
If snow is just packed by vehicles, it will only transmit to icy stuff and when minus degrees it will be strong ice. If we´re lucky that´s what´s going to happen...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lead
On radio meteorologist says 2-3dm snow in Värmland next coming 24h. Then forecast as already said rest of the week.
Yeah, forecasts were really bad for a day or two but has turned now,; rally week has 0 to -7 degrees well until sunday and some snow thursday 14th.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Do not worry about the weather, region has 50+ cm of snow right now and more is coming, some melting during the day (espescially when it is sun-induced) and freezing overnight is doing only good. Recent over -20 degrees on the ground has accumulated a lot of cold in the ground, so, melting on the top ends with freezing below. That rain may clean some asphalt roads but non-salted local roads, narrow, with high snow-walls on the sides... only thing is that some of those snowpiles will be a bit icy and a bit more than usual number of bumpers are needed ;) Ice surface can be a bit uneven also.
Well, and Karlstad, during most of the recent events, there was only ice they created with some watering, not much difference then :P
And about the predictability, it is between 5-25% for next week, so not very high :P But weather tends to repeat itself, this winter in this region has been snowy, and often on minus side with short warmer periods, keep it in your mind when looking how the forecasts are changing;)
Finally we got you posting! Hehe
Thanks for info!
This should calm everyone down here.
Exactly. I have been to 15+ Sweden rounds. This year it looks very good actually. with lots of rain next monday followed by lots of new snow and minus temps again making a good ice basis again on the road. And with the current snow debt already pretty solid I expect it to be perfect conditions for he rally. It takes a long time for that snow to disappear.
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To have some context for this, it's only for WRC2(Pro) competitors, who are not allowed to test in the country of the next rally three weeks preceding the event. So Swedish and Norwegian drivers must now go to Finland for their Rally Sweden tests.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
It says P2 and P3 drivers in the rules so that means even JWRC. M-Sport had to do their JWRC test in Norway a couple weeks backQuote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
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Rally Sweden changing it up again next year, making a new start to Vargåsen are one of the things mentioned
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/va...rdKjNHopPviS5k
New stages?Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
Yup. Seems like it. FIA wants certain stuff. "We will swap stages that doesn't have an arena, or anything of big value to us". "We need to find new forest stages to use, mainly on the Friday but also Saturday and Sunday"Quote:
Originally Posted by Lead
Too bad really, as the Norwegian stages have been among the best in Sweden, both technically and condition-wise. But there are traditional rally stages, and not "arena stages".
Ugh :(
Torsby, Hagfors and Likenäs have an ”arena”
The part before the finish of Svullrya is packed with people, also has big parking possibilities etc, could be considered an arena. Next to that they could bring back Kirkenaer, which was a real arena-stage and actually not boring at all. :)
WRC Promoter is really about to fall into all the same traps from the early 2000s aren't they...?
What was it? Rally ending super-specials?Quote:
Originally Posted by dodge33cymru
Arena stages... wow have they gone mad?Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrvold
Calm down. In rally sweden just the bigger spectator places like Colins Crest Arena, Torsby Arena or the finish of Hagfors stage at the old ski slope etc. are called Arena.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
For sure they want to keep this places. No one is talking about full arena stages - dont make anything up from nothing.
After some years with nearly identical itinerary, some change for 2020 is very positive.
Giving up classic events in pursuit of new money, auctioning events around the world and bloating the calendar instead of focusing on the things that actually make the sport iconic. Thinking they were bigger than Monte Carlo being the epitome of it. But wrong thread, I'm looking forward to Sweden this year and hopefully for many more.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve.mandzij
But yes, rally ending super specials were awful too.
Like tc10a says, it's not a whole stage, in an arena. It's what they call a stage with an arena.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
Here you can see the stages with and arena https://rallysweden.com/en/the-race/
So they would have to swap all Norwegian stages on Friday (so keep Torsby, that's it), swap Rämmen on Saturday and Likenäs on Sunday.
Though I do agree with tommeke the end of Svullrya can be considered an arena (and the spot I've been at for the last years are getting fuller and fuller!)
Been in those places and never going back there. Absolutely horrific places to spectate a rally. It's more for people who goes there to have a drink and enjoy the athmosphere. And by enjoying the atmosphere I mean have a lot of drinks. But it is not for spectating a rally. More like an open air festival.Quote:
Originally Posted by tc10a
Myrvold, I have been many times in Rally Sweden and visited those arena stages. Maybe it is just me and my friends but we're never going back to those "Arena places". Just horrible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrvold
Did you receive the rally magazine? It was to be sent on the fifth week?!?
Likenäs has also the rallycross part in the beginning, that counts as an arena, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrvold
In Finland we also have these large official spectator areas which an be considered as arenas, the most famous of them the Kakaristo junction. For sure it's nice for the casual fan or a tourist, but for the hardcore fans it's better to pick a quieter place in the forest. Like cali said, it's more of a festival, lots of drunk people who don't even care so much for the competition...
The long term forecasts are still to be changed, but let's speculate. Right now it looks like there won't be snowfall during the whole rally week, especially not during Friday. If we assume we get some plus degrees and rain on the weekend, then some -8°C days before the rally and no fresh snow, that would mean a good ice base for the roads. This would favour the first car on the road, right? The studs would have a direct contact to the ice, whereas all the next cars would have to deal with various amounts of loose snow/slush on top of the ice?
I remember very clearly 2017 Rally Sweden, when yrno forecast promised some + degrees throughout the whole rally, but in fact it hit the very first night -17 C and stayed well below the zero during the event.
2017 was still a year with quite little snow and small snowbanks, but a good ice layer on the roads.
I do hope there will be new fresh stages, maybe run ten-twenty years ago.
But really no more show is needed.
I have not received mine. I sent query about that today, but no reply yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruesluporp
If you are waiting for the spectator maps with parking areas you can find them here also
https://rallysweden.com/en/the-race/