WRC Driver Conduct On Road Sections - Case Tänak at Monte Carlo

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Originally Posted by AnttiK7

Thanks for the video! This actually only makes it look worse for Tänak unfortunately. Pay attention when Ogier gives some sideways action from 0:20 onwards on a road section. Tänak drives the same bit of road section from 1:20 onwards as if he is on a stage and not on a public road. Yeah I'm not approving of Ogier's driving either, but this just makes it look worse for Tänak. I guess a lot of that is that they want to desperately keep some temperature in the tires and brakes, but it doesn't make it ok. It's good to have more footage though, thanks!

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haha, sorry, but you are a clown.
have you ever driven a car yourself?

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Originally Posted by Franky

I think he, N.O.T already said something here

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he cant speak free on a open forum due ti his position.
I am sure that if he sent him a pm he will help him.

I said I didn't approve of Ogier's driving, especially if the slide was self induced but that's so slow speed that I wouldn't make headlines about it. Tänak on the other hand is setting up his car into the hairpin already as if he is on a stage and just floors it past the camera guy. Perhaps Ogier was just smart enough to slow down immediately when he saw the camera.

Also if you want to look at it that way it is also a problem in terms of the competition if there's one guy who drives the liaisons like a cowboy warming up tires and brakes every possible chance he can and another who actually follows road traffic rules. The nice guy will have at least a small disadvantage with colder brakes and tires. But that's a different issue.

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Originally Posted by AnttiK7

I said I didn't approve of Ogier's driving, especially if the slide was self induced but that's so slow speed that I wouldn't make headlines about it. Tänak on the other hand is setting up his car into the hairpin already as if he is on a stage and just floors it past the camera guy. Perhaps Ogier was just smart enough to slow down immediately when he saw the camera.

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Originally Posted by AnttiK7

And like I have stated before, this is nothing to do with nationality, person in question, speed on the stages or anything else. If Latvala, Lappi, Ogier or whoever else took the same bit of road the same way, my views and actions would not change.

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THIS - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOwXTr5bdvc&t=43s means ,floors out'' not what you can see from either videos..
How can you say that it doesn't matter to you, if it was Tanak or not?

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Originally Posted by AnttiK7

It's good to have more footage though, thanks!

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What are you actually getting out of this thread? I find your 'contribution' to this forum so far utterly bizarre. Of all the things in rallying you could talk about, all the subjects you could have contributed to or joined to discuss, I can't get why any fan would be so solely focused on this subject.

It'd makes more sense if this was some next level trolling exercise by NOT in disguise...

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Originally Posted by AnttiK7

I said I didn't approve of Ogier's driving, especially if the slide was self induced but that's so slow speed that I wouldn't make headlines about it. Tänak on the other hand is setting up his car into the hairpin already as if he is on a stage and just floors it past the camera guy. Perhaps Ogier was just smart enough to slow down immediately when he saw the camera.

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Well, that explains a lot what you said earlier

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Originally Posted by AnttiK7

I'm a big fan of Ogier

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Ogier slides pas minivan - no problem, other drivers slides - no problem, Ogier using mobile phone while driving - no problem, etc... Ott sliding, and he was faster on actual stages in comparison with some fins - THATS THE PROBLEM, WORD END... cmon Antti, and you are saying you are not nationalistic?
Get a life...

Im quite sure that guy forgot to buy bills this month, tomorrow is a new month, hopefully he will get his retirement money and can buy some. Happy good February everyone and that guy is a real idiot. I unsubscribed this true idiot from youtube aswell, nothing to do if he is making fake videos and saying his a fan of motorsport. Haha.

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Originally Posted by AnttiK7

I said I didn't approve of Ogier's driving, especially if the slide was self induced but that's so slow speed that I wouldn't make headlines about it. Tänak on the other hand is setting up his car into the hairpin already as if he is on a stage and just floors it past the camera guy. Perhaps Ogier was just smart enough to slow down immediately when he saw the camera.

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You are little pissed out girl. So actually you approve Ogiers driving because its for your eyes slower, than Tanaks. So lets say if the drifting speed is for you under 50km/h its ok? And now its much more worse to Tanak because his speed was 51km/h while drifing. And you were there and measured it.
We all see it allready form your first post that you want something happen only with Tanak you allways close your little eyes then its somebody else.
You have made of yourself a good example how stupid and ridicilous can one girl be

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Originally Posted by AnttiK7

I said I didn't approve of Ogier's driving, especially if the slide was self induced but that's so slow speed that I wouldn't make headlines about it.

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I think Tanak was sliding next to spectators even slower (main topic case).

I work for the FIA. Jean Todt just told me that he’s gong to block your IP address for constantly wasting their time

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Originally Posted by AnttiK7

... the ball is firmly rolling...

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Originally Posted by AnttiK7

Thanks for the video! This actually only makes it look worse for Tänak unfortunately. Pay attention when Ogier gives some sideways action from 0:20 onwards on a road section. Tänak drives the same bit of road section from 1:20 onwards as if he is on a stage and not on a public road. Yeah I'm not approving of Ogier's driving either, but this just makes it look worse for Tänak. I guess a lot of that is that they want to desperately keep some temperature in the tires and brakes, but it doesn't make it ok. It's good to have more footage though, thanks!

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Originally Posted by hannes36

https://youtu.be/5O-INzThaZ0?t=11 you should report some other drives too, seems like sideways is quite popular on road sections.

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Originally Posted by AnttiK7

Thanks for the video! This actually only makes it look worse for Tänak unfortunately. Pay attention when Ogier gives some sideways action from 0:20 onwards on a road section. Tänak drives the same bit of road section from 1:20 onwards as if he is on a stage and not on a public road

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Sorry but I really have to disagree with that, it seems like you're only seeing what you want to see to justify yourself against the people who disagree with you. To me Ogier looks clearly faster, more sideways and more committed at 0:20 than Tanak on the same road at 1:20.

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Originally Posted by the sniper

What are you actually getting out of this thread? I find your 'contribution' to this forum so far utterly bizarre. Of all the things in rallying you could talk about, all the subjects you could have contributed to or joined to discuss, I can't get why any fan would be so solely focused on this subject.

It'd makes more sense if this was some next level trolling exercise by NOT in disguise...

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I only joined this forum again to talk about this thing, nothing else. My goal was to raise discussion about an issue that has potential to become serious for WRC in the future. But the reason I haven't contributed on this forum for years is all too clear to see in this topic. The level of name calling that the conversation descends into very rapidly is quite depressing. For some reason it's ok on this forum to personally attack other members rather than actually only talk about the subject. I mean I know it's not politically correct for me to post a topic like this on here and I know what to expect. But still...come on. Silly, often sexist and childish remarks, coming by people hiding cowardly behind anonymity, to someone whose name has been essentially published here for everyone. And I know this is the way of this forum for years now and why I don't spend my time here on a regular basis. Now don't get me wrong, there are people here who actually put thought into their posts and not all of them agree with my views in this topic either. But that intelligent discussion is drowned in the nonsense in between. Another problem I have is that I post something and then a few pages later it has been twisted into something completely else that I did not say at all and then I (stupidly) spend my time correcting myself and the cycle goes on like that. But that's lesser of an issue.

I see I also have to still clarify my comments on the second video. So to recap, Ogier slides in an excessive manner with other cars nearby which I don't approve of, if the slide was deliberately induced. He slows down/stops immediately after the slide, maybe when he sees the camera. Tänak slides a bit less but drives the same section with a more committed attitude and speed, as if he is on a stage and not a road section. Ogier's driving is wrong for me in that video, Tänak's driving is wrong as well, full stop. Mikkelsen looks like he is trying to do some kind of low key warming up exercise which is not even worth mentioning really compared to the other things. For a detailed analysis and driver comparison, I would need to see everyone's full liaison onboards. Who knows, maybe some of these guys go all crazy when they know no one is watching, but for example Tänak doesn't mind showing off for the people/cameras.

You're like a broken gramophone. Repeat for the same thing all the time. I do not know if you're stupid or you play a fool. Get your life and do not sit just behind your computer. The real life is not so black and white.

Please, go see some rally in reality, they do this warm up on every stage before going to the start of stage, everyone. So go complain about it. I have to check, may have some footage from rally Sweden where Ogier and others doing it on really narrow road.
And now there is footage of other drivers sliding around i want to see you going to report it to FIA too, as you said you would do.

Dear AnttiK7 please go home and sut up

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Originally Posted by MartinMK

Please, go see some rally in reality, they do this warm up on every stage before going to the start of stage, everyone.

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I have seen it first hand live as well and still doesn't make me approve of it. Unless it is literally a quick warm-up immediately before start line and not a big warm up session through the whole liaison.

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Originally Posted by AnttiK7

So to recap, Ogier slides in an excessive manner with other cars nearby which I don't approve of, if the slide was deliberately induced. He slows down/stops immediately after the slide, maybe when he sees the camera. Tänak slides a bit less but drives the same section with a more committed attitude and speed, as if he is on a stage and not a road section.

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This still sounds like you're watching a different video to the rest of us? Ogier has a much more committed attitude and speed through that left-hander, and you can hear that they have both lifted off by the time they pass the camera.

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Originally Posted by kolin

Dear AnttiK7 please go home and sut up

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Oh dear, why people can´t just accept other opinions? You don´t have to agree with AnttiK7 and others who say that Tänak should be punished, but to say someone should go home and shut up, is really embarrassing... :(

One thing springs to my mind reading all this endless... There are people in the world who are always right because they think they are right. They always know what is right and what is wrong. They know it so well that they are ready "to take out sword and start crusade". You can't dare to object them in anyway because the goal is so noble. If you do so you automatically become person who don't understand anything in this world.

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Originally Posted by JUF

Oh dear, why people can´t just accept other opinions? You don´t have to agree with AnttiK7 and others who say that Tänak should be punished, but to say someone should go home and shut up, is really embarrassing... :(

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This is not just a different opinion we are talking about here. This man sent complaints to the FIA. It went beyond any limit, and that's why people are angry.

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Originally Posted by maailmameister

This is not just a different opinion we are talking about here. This man sent complaints to the FIA. It went beyond any limit, and that's why people are angry.

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Which I have every right to do if I want to.

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Originally Posted by GravelBen

This still sounds like you're watching a different video to the rest of us? Ogier has a much more committed attitude and speed through that left-hander, and you can hear that they have both lifted off by the time they pass the camera.

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First of all it seems to me you are confusing Tänak and Mikkelsen because Tänak most certainly hasn't lifted off by the time he reaches the camera. Note that Tänak's driving on the road section begins at 1:20 in the video, Ogier is followed by Mikkelsen in the Hyundai. But here's some data. I timed the moment from which Ogier appears into view in the left hander to the time he reaches the camera at about 6 seconds. Tänak does the same distance in about 4 seconds so in that stretch of road his average speed is almost twice the speed of Ogier. Still, I don't approve of the kind of slides either on road section that Ogier shows, I definitely agree with that. But like I said, the speed he does on the video is barely over half of what Tänak is doing.

so both sliding - you agree, both below speed limit - you agree. To punish both - you dont agree as if one slide is 'safer'??? or you wanted to punish Ott and finally other video came out and now you would do anything to 'save' others and still punish Ott? or dear or dear...

You weren`t present and can`t tell anything about the speed. Measuring something from a youtube video isn`t correct. You can measure one body organ like that. And yes, you are correct, it`s everyones right to be a ****, but that doesn`t mean others have to agree and accept.

27 pages...:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by maailmameister

This man sent complaints to the FIA. It went beyond any limit, and that's why people are angry.

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But if there's nothing wrong with Tänak's antics, then why to even care about someone sending a complaint (if you want to call it that) to the FIA?

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Originally Posted by Tarmop

You weren`t present and can`t tell anything about the speed. Measuring something from a youtube video isn`t correct.

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I can't measure their speed in km/h, but I can measure their relative speed to each other with quite good accuracy and that is what I was talking about.

This thread surely isn't serious, is it? As a rally spectator I think its brilliant to see the cars/drivers putting on a little show for the rally fans on the road sections. Yeah, absolutely reckless behavior isn't appropriate, but a little slide for some guys at the side of the road? That's awesome!

This sort of thing has been happening since stage rallying began: the only difference now is that everyone has a camera phone to record the antics and the internet has enabled it be shared with the world.

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Originally Posted by AnttiK7

First of all it seems to me you are confusing Tänak and Mikkelsen because Tänak most certainly hasn't lifted off by the time he reaches the camera. Note that Tänak's driving on the road section begins at 1:20 in the video, Ogier is followed by Mikkelsen in the Hyundai. But here's some data. I timed the moment from which Ogier appears into view in the left hander to the time he reaches the camera at about 6 seconds. Tänak does the same distance in about 4 seconds so in that stretch of road his average speed is almost twice the speed of Ogier. Still, I don't approve of the kind of slides either on road section that Ogier shows, I definitely agree with that. But like I said, the speed he does on the video is barely over half of what Tänak is doing.

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Watch it again and listen carefully to the engine - Ogier slows down much earlier for sure (maybe because he had a big slide and decided to back off), Tanak accelerates out of the corner initially but you can hear the engine on the overrun as he passes the camera, it wouldn't sound like that if he was still accelerating.

I wasn't talking about faster average speed, just the speed and commitment while sliding through the corner - Tanak does accelerate exiting the corner and is going faster past the camera at the end.

Of course if you're trying to say one is more dangerous than the other, Ogier is drifting past a van full of people and Tanak has a clear road as far as we can tell ;)

In general though I think its what we call 'a storm in a teacup' on this side of the world... why am I even still replying?

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Originally Posted by tbtstt

This thread surely isn't serious, is it? As a rally spectator I think its brilliant to see the cars/drivers putting on a little show for the rally fans on the road sections. Yeah, absolutely reckless behavior isn't appropriate, but a little slide for some guys at the side of the road? That's awesome!

This sort of thing has been happening since stage rallying began: the only difference now is that everyone has a camera phone to record the antics and the internet has enabled it be shared with the world.

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I respect and understand your point of view but my view on that is that just because something has 'always' been the case, doesn't mean it should continue to be so. And that applies to many things in life. The internet and camera phones you mention make this kind of behaviour all the more problematic. I see it as unnecessary baggage for the sport in 2018.

Can a moderator close this thread and end the agony please?

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Originally Posted by AL14

Can a moderator close this thread and end the agony please?

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Amen

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Originally Posted by AnttiK7

But here's some data. I timed the moment from which Ogier appears into view in the left hander to the time he reaches the camera at about 6 seconds. Tänak does the same distance in about 4 seconds so in that stretch of road his average speed is almost twice the speed of Ogier.

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Ogier is twice slower cuz he is sliding and Tanak is going straight. Physics.

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Originally Posted by AL14

Can a moderator close this thread and end the agony please?

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I want to see where it ends up. Khalid Al-Qassimi will become the WDC?

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Originally Posted by estwrc

amen

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just bloody stop posting to this topic and it will die!

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Originally Posted by Franky

I want to see where it ends up. Khalid Al-Qassimi will become the WDC?

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No in Antti eyes everybody can be WDC but not Tanak because he has some personal anger to him. For him Tanak slides are much more worser and dangerous, he already measures the time on the videos. Doesnt matter that Ogier slides while other car is driving opposite direction. Only tanak is bad...
I think he allready cut out only Tanak form video and sent it to FIA.
I think you also must speed up this video before you send it out, looks even more dangerous.