[WRC] Vodafone Rally de Portugal 2018 (18/21-May)

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18th May 2018, 12:43
stefanvv

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Originally Posted by Sal the 2nd

Marshals "job" (not aware of anyone getting paid to be a marshal) is to ensure the safe running of the stage mainly centered around spectator safety and assistance of a crew in the event of an incident. Going onto a live stage to move rocks isnt exactly supposed to be part of the role however those of us who have marshalled will have moved rocks at some point. Its up to the crews normally not to hit them.

You're right. That's only potential danger some rock to fly by a car and hit someone.
18th May 2018, 13:00
bandit12

which is the highest place achieved in the rallye2 system?
18th May 2018, 13:03
tc10a

Quote:

Originally Posted by bandit12

which is the highest place achieved in the rallye2 system?

Probably P2 from Loeb in Monte Carlo 2006
18th May 2018, 13:27
Simmi

One thing is for sure - no spectator could go out and remove those rocks. This is Portugal so you'd have about four meathead officers coming straight towards you.

It's just unlucky I think. This exact same thing could have happened on a corner free from people. It's just rallying, the road is evolving all the time.
18th May 2018, 13:31
devil's land

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Originally Posted by Tarmop

Gabbage-sized rocks in racing line shouldn`t be there, so yes. But what do you expect, when an organizer thinks it is ok to let the stage continue through a forestfire, with a place catching cars out or almost catching out.

It's sad for Tanak and for the championship.
He was outside the cobblestone road. He was making a cutting of almost 2 metres. All crews make this huge cut but it takes its risks.
18th May 2018, 13:34
Fast Eddie WRC

Quote:

Originally Posted by denkimi

Well, That only means they have placed their oil cooler in the wrong place, or their protection is not good enough.

Anyway, it shouln't happen. A big rock may damage the suspension, but nothing else.

After they graded the roads and laid sand to smooth them, maybe Toyota didnt think the road could be so rough and didnt get their suspension soft enough here.

Hyundai have also had their problems with 'weak' front suspension breaking easily in the past.

The decades of experience of M-Sport may be a big reason why they rarely seem to get such damage.
18th May 2018, 13:38
Rallyper

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Originally Posted by AnttiL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBEAb4hhBnM

Video of Tänak hitting stones. The filmer even zooms on the stones before Tänak. After he hits them, the marshalls go throw them out.

So N.O.T. : Not the way you wanted it. No car can stand such a big stone.
18th May 2018, 13:39
Rallyper

Quote:

Originally Posted by stefanvv

Neuville hit the sharp one too, his car also lifts at the front, not as much as Tanak's. Neuville was on the throttle, perhaps that saved him.

Yeah, but that was outside the raceline. And to me it looks like Tanak is not cutting. Neuville did cut after going wide in the righthander.
18th May 2018, 13:50
AnttiL

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Originally Posted by denkimi

How ridiculous is this timing? 5 hours between morning and midday loop. Do they need to hold a siesta in between or what?

Five hours is bending it.

SS4 (27 km) started at 10:53
130 km of liaison
Regroup at 13:25
Service in at 13:40
Service out at 14:14
Refuel
76 km of liaison
SS5 starts at 15:25

So the biggest gap is the 2 hours from the end of SS4 to the regroup, but that long liaison and entering the city probably takes all that time.

I agree that it's annoying for spectators, but geography cannot be changed, reasonable places for service park and reasonable stages are often far from each other.
18th May 2018, 13:55
AnttiL

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdevQg1V4AAXX5q.jpg

Rain expected for SS7

https://twitter.com/davidevansrally/...58552469016577
18th May 2018, 14:03
sonnybobiche

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnttiL

Five hours is bending it.

SS4 (27 km) started at 10:53
130 km of liaison
Regroup at 13:25
Service in at 13:40
Service out at 14:14
Refuel
76 km of liaison
SS5 starts at 15:25

So the biggest gap is the 2 hours from the end of SS4 to the regroup, but that long liaison and entering the city probably takes all that time.

Hence, there's far too much liaison between the stages. This has been a problem for many years, but hopefully now they have some incentive to actually fix it.

I was watching a classic rally the other day, I think Tour de Corse '85. Over 3 days, it was 1100 km of competitive stages and something like 500 km of liaison. That is the correct ratio, I think. What we have now must be hellishly boring for the drivers.
18th May 2018, 14:07
mknight

Any word if Latvala can join tomorrow?

After first section best Toyota is on 11th outside of points! That's a disaster for manu. champ as well.
18th May 2018, 14:16
jparker

Quote:

Originally Posted by denkimi

Well, That only means they have placed their oil cooler in the wrong place, or their protection is not good enough.

Anyway, it shouln't happen. A big rock may damage the suspension, but nothing else.

I agree with you. Engine and related parts should be well protected, and should withstand even bigger rocks and impacts.
TGR definitely need to sort this out.
18th May 2018, 14:50
er88

Any word yet on the different tyre choices for the afternoon loop?
18th May 2018, 14:54
dimviii

FRI 11:47 - LATVALA UPDATE
Kaj Lindström has also given an update on Jari-Matti: " We got a message that the right-front suspension is broken and he can’t continue. The damper is broken but we should be in a better position compared to Argentina because it sounds like it is just the damper. He said it was just a hole he went over and it broke the damper. We’ll have to check the on-board to make sure how it happened.”

FRI 11:43 - TÄNAK
WRC All Live caught up with Ott Tänak in the service park: “Obviously we have an engine issue, we had to stop on the stage and it wasn’t possible to continue. Basically we had a leak in the radiator after hitting a rock. It was interesting, a spectator point with lots of loose rocks. I don’t believe we will be back because the engine is broken.”
18th May 2018, 14:58
dimviii

Quote:

Originally Posted by er88

Any word yet on the different tyre choices for the afternoon loop?

#Tyre info - Day 1 afternoon:

Citroën/Suninen: 5 Michelin LTX Force H4
Lappi/Evans: 4H+1S
Ogier: 3H+2S
Neuville: 6S
Mikkelsen/Paddon: 3S+2H
Sordo: 5S
18th May 2018, 14:59
dimviii

TGR_WRC
Update: Unfortunately car #8 has to be retired from the rally and will not take any further part in the event. #RallydePortugal
18th May 2018, 15:02
er88

Interesting that Citroen have put all 3 crews on the same tyres, instead of hedging their bets and covering more bases. Must be pretty confident
18th May 2018, 15:02
N.O.T

Quote:

Originally Posted by sollitt

Are you suggesting that their job is to remove rocks from the stage?

yes... hey are there for the safety of the brazilian spectators and competitors. IT IS THEIR JOB.
18th May 2018, 15:03
KKS

Completely different tyre choices by Citroen and Hyundai
18th May 2018, 15:05
N.O.T

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rallyper

So N.O.T. : Not the way you wanted it. No car can stand such a big stone.

yes, but now i have a new victim to vent on, the brazilian marshals... so a win for me nevertheless.
18th May 2018, 15:10
steve.mandzij

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimviii

FRI 11:47 - LATVALA UPDATE
Kaj Lindström has also given an update on Jari-Matti: " We got a message that the right-front suspension is broken and he can’t continue. The damper is broken but we should be in a better position compared to Argentina because it sounds like it is just the damper. He said it was just a hole he went over and it broke the damper. We’ll have to check the on-board to make sure how it happened.”

FRI 11:43 - TÄNAK
WRC All Live caught up with Ott Tänak in the service park: “Obviously we have an engine issue, we had to stop on the stage and it wasn’t possible to continue. Basically we had a leak in the radiator after hitting a rock. It was interesting, a spectator point with lots of loose rocks. I don’t believe we will be back because the engine is broken.”

I don't get why people picked on the Hyundai's fragility last year after driver errors, when it seems the Yaris is made of paper below the wheels.
18th May 2018, 15:13
dimviii

Quote:

Originally Posted by er88

Interesting that Citroen have put all 3 crews on the same tyres, instead of hedging their bets and covering more bases. Must be pretty confident

hyundai also the same with softs
18th May 2018, 15:13
Essaj

Ogier off!!
18th May 2018, 15:14
jparker

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve.mandzij

I don't get why people picked on the Hyundai's fragility last year after driver errors, when it seems the Yaris is made of paper below the wheels.

I think TGR should be happy Acropolis is not in the calendar.
18th May 2018, 15:14
er88

Fucking hell!! Championship blown wide open if Neuville doesn't turn into a useless dog again, like he did in the latter part of last season!
18th May 2018, 15:16
T16

Will M-Sport's Seb Ogier return to form

no.
18th May 2018, 15:17
Simmi

Huge chance for Neuville here. Unlike Finland last year he needs to capitalise properly. We know now they can't manipulate the power stage road position.
18th May 2018, 15:17
Fast Eddie WRC

No excuses for that one, Seb.
18th May 2018, 15:19
mknight

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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

No excuses for that one, Seb.

early to tell, could have been FR puncture or something like that.
18th May 2018, 15:20
dimviii

https://scontent.fbru3-1.fna.fbcdn.n...d7&oe=5B8014E8
18th May 2018, 15:21
EstWRC

What? Really?
18th May 2018, 15:22
dimviii

Meeke flying
18th May 2018, 15:23
stefanvv

Well you don't see that very often.
18th May 2018, 15:23
EstWRC

Huge chance for Thierry here
18th May 2018, 15:24
Eli

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimviii

Meeke flying

Hopefully won't fly into the trees....

Speaking of which, is it just me or does the scenery of the trees here reminds the outback in Western Australia?
18th May 2018, 15:26
stefanvv

Splits stopped with Ogier or what?
18th May 2018, 15:27
Fast Eddie WRC

Quote:

Originally Posted by stefanvv

Splits stopped wit Ogier or what?

He went off mate.
18th May 2018, 15:28
sonnybobiche

Quote:

Originally Posted by stefanvv

Splits stopped wit Ogier or what?

He went off a few minutes ago. Out for the day at least.
18th May 2018, 15:28
Fast Eddie WRC

Quote:

Originally Posted by mknight

early to tell, could have been FR puncture or something like that.

You are right !

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