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Originally Posted by SGWilko

You mean because he is clearly well educated and is able to articulate well what he wants to convey? That's not strange, it is eloquence IMO.

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Considering the "depth" of his views, I'm not at all surprised SlowSon finds it strange for a person to be educated and articulate...

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

You mean because he is clearly well educated and is able to articulate well what he wants to convey? That's not strange, it is eloquence IMO.

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Of course not. Education depends on money and time and has nothing to do with natural intelect. I mean his flow of thoughts, logical/rational thinking etc.

I suppose we can't all come from educated backgrounds and those that don't often show jealousy to those that do. Taking the micky out of someone because they are able to construct a sentence in a well thought out manner without dribbling all over their keyboard is silly when compared to what is being discussed here IMO.

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Originally Posted by SlowSon

Of course not. Education depends on money and time and has nothing to do with natural intelect.

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To a degree, yes. But to wish to want make your life better - through education - can only come from within. You get out of education - within your own limits - what you put in.

You can also get a very good education without the need for vast amounts of money too.

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Originally Posted by henners88

You can also get a very good education without the need for vast amounts of money too.

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Indeedy! My children get a very good education from their school, but the amount of effort we (the wife mostly - and I) also put in with homework, getting them to read, discussing and answering their questions etc is equally important to their education.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Indeedy! My children get a very good education from their school, but the amount of effort we (the wife mostly - and I) also put in with homework, getting them to read, discussing and answering their questions etc is equally important to their education.

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A good opportunity for me to apologise for things I've said before about your parenting.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

A good opportunity for me to apologise for things I've said before about your parenting.

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Thanks, but actually, you have never been rude or offensive.

I can appreciate that some bad taste humour I have used in the past WAS offensive, and for that I apologise.

Since everybody is apologising, I think I'll join in. :) I'd like to apologise for post #241. I lost my temper a little, I was rude, and I neglected the golden rule of "discuss the post, not the poster".

Who's next? :)

It is very easy, is it not, to allow oneself to be lulled into a false sense of isolation form behind the keyboard. When your body language cannot be viewed along with the comment, its meaning and or intention can easily be misconstrued.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

It is very easy, is it not, to allow oneself to be lulled into a false sense of isolation form behind the keyboard. When your body language cannot be viewed along with the comment, its meaning and or intention can easily be misconstrued.

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I probably talk a lot of b0ll0cks too mind you!

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

I probably talk a lot of b0ll0cks too mind you!

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[poirot]Every man talks sometimes the bollocks, n'est-ce pas?[/poirot] :)

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding, but: mishap?

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I even misunderstood myself. Clear indication that one should be careful when they post on sensitive subjects. Mishap is minimizing a very serious biological anomaly not yet understood by the sciences and completely misunderstood by the citizenry.

Thanks for pointing this out.

Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding, but: very serious biological anomaly ?

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Originally Posted by Spafranco

Mishap is minimizing a very serious biological anomaly not yet understood by the sciences and completely misunderstood by the citizenry.

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I'm afraid I'm still none the wiser.

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Originally Posted by EuroTroll

Since everybody is apologising, I think I'll join in. :) I'd like to apologise for post #241. I lost my temper a little, I was rude, and I neglected the golden rule of "discuss the post, not the poster".

Who's next? :)

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If you are solicitating rude - I can do that - which is why I have not joined in on this thread very much.

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Originally Posted by Roamy

If you are solicitating rude - I can do that - which is why I have not joined in on this thread very much.

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Oh, do join in fella! :up:

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Originally Posted by EuroTroll

Oh, do join in fella! :up:

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he's too busy with his buttplugs...

I would also like to apologise if anyone felt I was ever rude. That my arguments are sound and my logic flawless isn't in doubt but sometimes I don't appreciate less developed people's lack of comprehension and intelligence. This may come across as being a touch brusque to the great unwashed whereas it's just genius that your little brains can't grasp.

There, I've got it off my chest and feel better for it. Now, back to the love in please my little plebs :D

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Originally Posted by EuroTroll

So what are you really trying to say? :) That we are in fact the only species who has sex recreationally? I don't think that's true, but what if it was? What would it mean in the context of this discussion?

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My point is that animal behavior should not be used to validate human behavior.

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Originally Posted by call_me_andrew

My point is that animal behavior should not be used to validate human behavior.

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I don't think anyone is using animal behaviour to validate human behaviour! The monkey business was simply a little, curious off-topic snippet. ;) As I've said before, I don't think homosexuality needs any validation or justification.

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding, but: very serious biological anomaly ?

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Is it a condition? A genetic flaw? What would you characterize it as?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I'm afraid I'm still none the wiser.

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What exactly don't you get? Is it a PC issue? If not, then explain to me why some people are born with an attraction to their own sex. What is the cause of this?

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Originally Posted by call_me_andrew

My point is that animal behavior should not be used to validate human behavior.

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Not in all cases no, but certain animal behaviour is related due to evolution. Obviously things like murder can't be justified, but in terms of sexual urges I think I comparison can be sort regardless of sexual orientation.

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Originally Posted by Spafranco

Is it a condition? A genetic flaw? What would you characterize it as?

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How about leave it at biological phenomenon?
It's way too normal to be considered an anomaly or flaw, let alone a "very serious" one...

Spafranco, put that spade away! ;)

You raise an interesting question though.


Nature or nurture? Does science know if people are born with a sexual orientation... or is it an environmental thing..... or even both?

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Originally Posted by Zico

Nature or nurture? Does science know if people are born with a sexual orientation... or is it an environmental thing..... or even both?

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From Wikipedia, the source of all our knowledge: "No simple, single cause for sexual orientation has been conclusively demonstrated. Various studies point to different, even conflicting positions, but research generally suggests that sexual orientation is a combination of genetic, hormonal, and environmental influences, with biological factors involving a complex interplay of genetic factors and the early uterine environment. Biological factors which may be related to the development of a heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual or asexual orientation include genes, prenatal hormones, and brain structure."

Or, an alternative view. :D

From Conservapedia: "The causes of homosexuality are attributable to man's sinful nature, nurture and environment, and personal choice. How important each factor is, though, is an issue that is debated. Those from the most liberal school usually assume a philosophy of determinism, treating homosexuality as an identity or orientation which one has no choice over, and which cannot be changed. This belief is then used to justify acting it out. The contrasting and warranted position is that homosexuality is a choice, that of yielding to ultimately harmful desires, and which choice is partly affected by nurture and environment."

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

How about leave it at biological phenomenon?
It's way too normal to be considered an anomaly or flaw, let alone a "very serious" one...

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I think that attitude comes from an easy to grasp idea that if you find something that's considered the best of a bunch, the bunch would be better if everyone was like that best example. Biodiversity proves otherwise, but that can be harder to understand.

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Originally Posted by Spafranco

What exactly don't you get? Is it a PC issue? If not, then explain to me why some people are born with an attraction to their own sex. What is the cause of this?

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I don't get why it matters, and I certainly don't understand why you term it a 'very serious anomaly'. Very serious in what way?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I don't get why it matters, and I certainly don't understand why you term it a 'very serious anomaly'. Very serious in what way?

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It causes earthquakes. :p

and swarms of locusts.

Oh yeah, sorry about those.

I don't mind gays at all. In fact, I wish all men were gay, except me. That way I could have any woman I wanted. So if a guy is gay it helps my plans for female domination in a way. Now all I need is a cat with opposable thumbs to carry out my daring plan...

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I don't get why it matters, and I certainly don't understand why you term it a 'very serious anomaly'. Very serious in what way?

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You don't get it and that appears to be obvious or you would not keep dwelling on how it is to be discussed. If you do not deem it serious then you are not living in the US. I may be wrong but I imagine, flag or not that if you did live here you would understand that being a homosexual,lesbian,transsexual,hermaphrodite does not go over well with large chunks of the conservative population. In fact it can be a death sentence in parts.

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Originally Posted by Spafranco

You don't get it and that appears to be obvious or you would not keep dwelling on how it is to be discussed. If you do not deem it serious then you are not living in the US. I may be wrong but I imagine, flag or not that if you did live here you would understand that being a homosexual,lesbian,transsexual,hermaphrodite does not go over well with large chunks of the conservative population. In fact it can be a death sentence in parts.

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You must be living in the wrong part of the US. ;)

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Originally Posted by Spafranco

You don't get it and that appears to be obvious or you would not keep dwelling on how it is to be discussed. If you do not deem it serious then you are not living in the US. I may be wrong but I imagine, flag or not that if you did live here you would understand that being a homosexual,lesbian,transsexual,hermaphrodite does not go over well with large chunks of the conservative population. In fact it can be a death sentence in parts.

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I agree that the US is probably less tolerant than most of the EU countries. But it's certainly not BDunnels fault that too many here in the US are ignorant of the fact that the majority of gay people (or other than straight people) don't make a choice to be gay, they are born that way. A great deal of that conservative population is also sometimes led by biased religions that allow all the divorced, greedy, and otherwise "sinful" people to judge gays and ignore their own sins.

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Originally Posted by airshifter

.... too many here in the US are ignorant of the fact that the majority of gay people (or other than straight people) don't make a choice to be gay, they are born that way.....

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I used to be a member of a forum where about 50% of the members were gay. There were numberless debates and fights on this issue and I remember that many of them explained they become gay because they experimented it. Never dared to say something but I suppose they were just trying a new experience, liked it and etc.

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Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo

I used to be a member of a forum where about 50% of the members were gay. There were numberless debates and fights on this issue and I remember that many of them explained they become gay because they experimented it. Never dared to say something but I suppose they were just trying a new experience, liked it and etc.

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I don't claim to have a huge circle of gay friends, but I have never met anyone like that.

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Originally Posted by Spafranco

You don't get it and that appears to be obvious or you would not keep dwelling on how it is to be discussed. If you do not deem it serious then you are not living in the US. I may be wrong but I imagine, flag or not that if you did live here you would understand that being a homosexual,lesbian,transsexual,hermaphrodite does not go over well with large chunks of the conservative population. In fact it can be a death sentence in parts.

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Whose fault is that other than the bigots themselves?

Maybe I also slightly resent your implication that I suffer from a 'very serious anomaly'.