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Very interesting interview, the one with Chief Eurosport Events, promotor of ERC:
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Future looks bright!
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You have so much good stuff on Autosport CZ, PLuto. Could you not implement google translate directly in the website. Your hitrate would explode !! :)
New twitter account as ERC: https://twitter.com/FIAERC
And it looks like there is also new logo of ERC (possible to see as a small picture here: www.AutoSport.CZ)
I don't want to sound negative, but that just is one horrible logo. It could be good for a science summit or bicycle fair, but for ERC - let's hope not.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Also the IRC account in twitter is now renamed @FIAERC and has the same logo as PLuto mentioned.
unfortunately i have to agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori
I agree with you. That must be the ugliest logo that I have ever seen!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori
Just look at the comparison between the old and the new:
http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile...48419651_n.jpg
http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/2...e29d12ae8.jpeg
Has anything changed for better?
We need another forum poll ;)
It looks like the Eurovision song contest logo. And now I am ashamed by the fact that I know what the Eurovision song contest logo looks like.
At least ESC logo represents what it should represent.Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
Good that a logo doesn't decide the value of the championship... :p If they would not put "FIA European Rally Championship" below it, you wouldn't have any idea what the logo is standing for...
That shows you in a bad light indeed :DQuote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
Estonian Sander Pärn shows interest in ERC campaign for 2013, They are talking about better car as well, maybe R5, but not really sure.
What is wrong with the old one? Looks simple and easy to read.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
If they absolutely have to make a new one, make it cool and colourful !
Would Oleksowicz coming back to ERC ? And Kruuda would be nice contender for ERC..
Rok Turk will start in ERC 2013 with Peugeot 208 R2.
Larger program than this year I hope?
I have no idea what is wrong with the old logo. I find it cool and it has some historical value too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
The latest news from Oleksowicz are that he finished his season in SWRC in 5th position:Quote:
Originally Posted by mousti
1. Craig Breen 118
2. Per-Gunnar Andersson 109
3. Yazeed al-Rajhi 88
4. Hayden Paddon 78
5. Maciej Oleksowicz 65
6. Alastair Fisher 22
I have no idea what his next plans are.
the old looks similar to all other FIA championships. i would like to have the regional rally championship to have all a different logo with a own charachter which make them immediatly reconizable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
so I thing this is a good attempt to give the ERC-IRC an own personality
Antonín Tlusťák confirmed on the radio yesterday that he will start in complete ERC championship.
...or let´s say he would like to...but he is one of the best drivers in finding sponsors and money funds, so it is nearly sure, he´ll do complete ERC.
@GigiGalliNo: http://www.motorsportforums.com/erc/...2013-logo.html
Ughhh
I think that Rally Sibiu is confirmed today for ERC 2013.
I hope you are wrong!
Fabia I presume Mirek?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Yes
I hope too! I saw the info on the rally Sibiu facebook profile yesterday :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
I think that facebook post "Aici incercam sa ajungem in 2013!" from Rally sibiul facebook page means "We are trying to get in for 2013" (If I understand the google-translator well) So I ask our Romanian friends to check it, please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Georgi
Madeira Rallye organization send a letter to the FIA to protest at not being included in the calendar for 2013.
COMUNICADO DO CLUB SPORTS DA MADEIRA – RALI VINHO MADEIRA / CAMPEONATO DA EUROPA DE RALIS
EXPOSIÇÃO RALI VINHO DA MADEIRA / CAMPEONATO DA EUROPA 2013
Dear Mr Jonathan Ashman
Para que não subsistam quaisquer dúvidas, em relação à nossa posição sobre o futuro do ERC e a forma como o Club Sports da Madeira / Rali Vinho da Madeira foi tratado em todo este processo, junto enviamos, para conhecimento edevidos efeitos, uma exposição sobre a situação da passagem da Organização do ERC da FIA para o Eurosport Events Lda
1 - Comunicado da FIA 13/8/2012
Em 13 de Agosto de 2012, recebemos da FIA, para conhecimento e assinado por Mr. Arnaud Crepin – Head of Rally Sporting Department, o seguinte email, que é também do vosso conhecimento:
« Dear Rally Commission Members,
We would like to inform you that the negotiations between the FIA and Eurosport concerning the 2013 FIA ERC have now ended.
Therefore we will be planning for 2013 in the normal manner.
With best regards“
Concluímos assim, que todos os Eventos incluídos no ERC 2012, podiam preparar a nova época e as suas provas no ERC 2013, dentro dos mesmos moldes e regulamentos actuais, vigentes na FIA.
A Comissão Organizadora do Rali Vinho Madeira comunicou aos seus, main Sponsors que nada se alteraria para o Campeonato da Europa de 2013, tendo inclusivé, feito uma declaração pública, na sequência do mail recebido e da Inscription request confirmation de 30/7/2012, que foi enviado à Federação Portuguesa de Automobilismo e Karting, com a confirmação junto da FIA das datas da realização da prova, de 1 a 3 de Agosto e apontando como data alternativa, de 25 a 27 de Julho de 2013, inscrição essa, para o FIA European Rally Championship – Coefficient 20.
Conclusão:
Foi a própria FIA a anunciar que o ERC 2013, se ia organizar, nos mesmos moldes e regulamentos dos anos anteriores e para tal solicitou a inscrição do Rali Vinho da Madeira.
A Comissão Organizadora do Rali Vinho Madeira, apoiou a decisão e começou a preparar a Organização do Evento no ERC 2013.
2 – Press release do World Motor Sport Council de 28/9/2012
Entretanto, após a reunião do World Motor Sport Council de 28 de Setembro, através do press release distribuído e dado conhecimento aos Clubes Organizadores dos Ralis do Campeonato da Europa, que afinal, a FIA, alterando a sua decisão inicial, deliberou que o Eurosport Event Limited era o Promotor / Organizador do FIA European, a partir de 2013, e por um período de 10 anos.
Isto é, contrariando as comunicações anteriores da FIA, são os Clubes Organizadores dos Ralis do ERC, surpreendidos e confrontados com uma nova realidade e uma nova deliberação tomada na reunião do Conselho Mundial da FIA (WMSC).
Após essa comunicação, tomamos conhecimento dum documento confidencial, datado de 25/9/2012, intitulado – FIA European Rally Championship Promotion onde se confirma que a “FIA has entered into negotions with Eurosport Events Limited (EEL) with a view to appoint EEL as Promoter of the FIA European Rally Championship”.
Esse documento, inclui, the Context, the Main Contractual Terms and The Calendar, onde três pontos nos chamam, a nossa particular atenção e preocupação:
i - EEL to liaise with FIA for the elaboration of the ERC calendar proposal to be submitted to the approval of the Rally Commission and the World Motorsport Council (target between 10 to 14 Events, with best 8 to 9 to count for the driver’s title);
(É a EEL que elabora o calendário do ERC e informa a FIA e a Comissão de Ralis. Número de provas 10 a 14 e com o número de 8 a 9 resultados a contar para o título de condutores)
ii - FIA no to put any Event on the ERC Calendar if no Event Agreement in place with EEL;
(a FIA não pode colocar nenhuma prova no Calendário do ERC se não houver acordo com a EEL)
iii - Maximum of 3 ASN hosting both a round of the WRC and ERC in 2013 with objective to progressively reduce it to zero as European Events are progressively dropped for the WRC calendar.
Quanto ao ponto “i” é uma decisão da FIA RALLY Commission mas quanto ao ponto “ii”, fica claro que só farão parte do Calendário do ERC 2013 os Eventos que assinem o acordo com o EEL, nos moldes propostos pelo Eurosport.
Quanto ao determinado em “iii” é preocupante para os ralis em Portugal, pois temos o Rali de Portugal no WRC e o Rali Vinho da Madeira no ERC, tal como Espanha e Itália. E o objectivo é reduzir progressivamente essa presença de Eventos, do mesmo País, no WRC e ERC, reduzindo a uma Prova por País. Esta será uma questão fundamental de ponderação e discussão futura, no tocante à representação dos Ralis Portugueses em Campeonatos Internacionais FIA.
Mas, em nenhum ponto, é referido que o ERC se funde com o IRC. Aliás, também, em nenhum ponto do comunicado é feita qualquer referência ao Troféu IRC e a eventuais direitos dos seus Eventos em serem incluídos no ERC 2013. Podemos, assim concluir, que só há direitos de presença e compromissos anteriores da FIA, para com os Eventos que integram o ERC 2012, sobre a sua inclusão no ERC 2013, desde que aceitem as condições contratuais propostas pela Eurosport Events Limited.
Fica claro, que para a FIA, há um novo ERC. E que a extinção ou não do IRC é uma decisão exclusiva da EEL.
3 – Negociações entre os organizadores de ralis do ERC com EEL
Quando a Organização do RVM tomou conhecimento do Press Release da WRCC, fizemos a seguinte pergunta a todos os organizadores do ERC, através de email:
“Now what happen? Where do we stand and what are the steps to follow?”
Após esta nossa solicitação, em 2 de Outubro de 2012, Mr Radovan Novak responde e esclarece, através de email, a todos os organizadores do Campeonato da Europa de Ralis de 2012:
“I will tell you the next steps. Eurosport will negotiate with every organizer about 2013 season and those accept the financial conditions will be in ERC”
Para nós, tudo ficou mais claro e esclarecido. A EEL iria contactar todos os Clubes Organizadores dos Ralis do ERC 2012, propondo as condições financeiras e quem aceitar e tiver budget, o seu rali fará parte do Campeonato da Europa de 2013!
Deixou de ser uma questão desportiva, ou organizativa, de bom ou mau desempenho, de muito ou pouco historial no ERC, de ser melhor ou pior pontuada pelos Observadores, etc, etc, e passou a ser uma questão financeira, de aceitação ou não do contrato financeiro proposto pelo Eurosport. E os organizadores que aceitarem as condições contratuais, têm a sua prova incluída no ERC 2013. Era essa a única garantia da FIA.
4 – Proposta da EEL
Apesar de diversos emails enviados e de diversas solicitações, nunca a Organização do Rali Vinho da Madeira recebeu ou foi contactada, oficialmente e formalmente, pelos responsáveis da EEL e, até ao presente momento, desconhece as condições financeiras e contratuais que a EEL exigiria ao Club Sports da Madeira para fazer parte do ERC 2013. Mais, temos vindo a insistir para a apresentação da proposta, pois será o Governo Regional da Madeira a decidir sobre o seu apoio financeiro e a manutenção do RVM no Campeonato da Europa de 2013.
Reafirmamos, que nunca nos foi apresentado ou comunicado qualquer proposta financeira por parte da EEL, conforme ficou acordado com a FIA. Aliás, alertámos particularmente Mr Marcello Lotti – Director Geral da Eurosport, Mr Jonathan Ashman – Comissão de Ralis FIA, Mr Radovan Novak, Mr. Luiz Pinto Freitas – Presidente da FPAK , e o Gabinete do Presidente do Governo Regional da Madeira, de que não tínhamos sido contactados para a apresentação das condições financeiras da EEL.
...
5 – Calendário Provisório do ERC 2013
Foi com uma enorme surpresa que tomamos conhecimento do Press Release de 5 de Novembro da EEL com o Provisional 2013 FIA European Rally Championship Calendar, onde não consta o nosso Evento – Rali Vinho Madeira 2013 e onde se afirma que foram contactados todos os Clubes Organizadores dos Ralis do Campeonato da Europa, o que não é verdade!
Pela nossa parte, reafirmamos que não fomos oficialmente contactados e desconhecemos em absoluto as condições financeiras, exigidas pela EEL.
De imediato enviámos um email a Mr Jonathan Ashman, Mr Marcello Lotti, Mr Radovan Novak e Mr. Luiz Pinto Freitas, mostrando o nosso desagrado pelo desprezo e humilhação a que uma Organização que está há 34 anos consecutivos no Campeonato da Europa, tinha sido votada pelo EEL e para surpresa nossa, nesse calendário provisório constava o “Rali Sata Açores” evento que nunca fez parte do Campeonato da Europa mas sim da Taça da Europa e, nos últimos anos, no IRC.
E no dia 7 de Novembro de 2012, dirigido ao nosso Clerk of the Course, Mr Pedro Araújo, recebemos um email de Mr. François Ribeiro – Director Desportivo do EEL, afirmando que estavam surpresos com a nossa posição pois Mr Marcello Lotti tinha comunicado por telefone com o Mr José Paulo Fontes and explain him the situation about portuguese round of ERC. And also contact Mr Luiz Pinto de Freitas about our decision.
É claro no email, de François Ribeiro que a EEL decidiu primeiro qual era a prova portuguesa que ia incluir o ERC 2013, e só depois tentou explicar a decisão, por telefone, sem nunca dar a possibilidade do Rali Vinho da Madeira se poder pronunciar.
E até à presente data, não recebemos qualquer contacto com a apresentação dos termos do contrato a assinar com a EEL, pelo que exerceremos sempre os nossos direitos perante a FIA – Comissão de Ralis.
6 – Explicação para a inclusão do “Rali Sata Açores” e a exclusão do “Rali Vinho da Madeira”
Como afirmamos e sustentamos nesta exposição em nenhuma comunicação da FIA é referido que os ralis do IRC têm quaisquer direitos sobre as provas do ERC. Aliás, se algum troféu foi extinto foi o IRC. A FIA assinou um acordo com o EEL para a Organização do ERC 2013, não para o IRC 2013, pelo que não existem quaisquer direitos ou contratos ainda vigentes com Eventos do IRC 2012. Dizer que “Açores was under IRC Promoter Agreement with Eurosport Events until end of 2012 with a privileged position for 2013” é estar a sobrepor um Evento do IRC, que não tem quaisquer direitos no ERC, em prejuízo do Rali Vinho da Madeira, que está no direito próprio e há 34 anos no Campeonato da Europa. Não havendo IRC em 2013, não há nenhuma base legal para o prolongamento do contrato. E esta nunca poderá ser uma desculpa, para que o Club Sports da Madeira não seja contactado.
Afirmar “Açores local Governement indicated us their intention to renew their support to the Rali Sata Açores Event Promoter, and enhanced their financial contribuition to ugrade TV signal from highlights package live broadcast operations in 2013” não pode ser argumento válido, porque, era e é, o mote e a justificação para a nossa insistência de apresentação dos termos do Acordo Financeiro a estabelecer, para que o mesmo seja submetido à apreciação do Governo Regional da Madeira, que terá de se pronunciar e decidir sobre o apoio financeiro ao Rali Vinho da Madeira de 2013, neste novo contexto de ser o Eurosport Events Lda a promover a sua organização.
Conclusão:
Pelas razões expostas, e não havendo qualquer contacto formal da parte da EEL com a apresentação da proposta para a continuidade do RVM no ERC 2013, iremos recorrer para a FIA e para a FPAK, nos termos desta nossa exposição e com os direitos que nos assistem como Organizadores de uma prova do Campeonato da Europa, dando conhecimento desta nossa posição ao Presidente do Governo Regional da Madeira, às Autoridades Desportivas Internacionais e a todos os Organizadores de Provas do Campeonato da Europa.
Com os nossos cumprimentos.
Funchal, 12 de Novembro de 2012
Club Sports da Madeira
Organizador do Rali Vinho Madeira
So, as much as I understood from "googlish" ERC will be more under Eurosport jurisdiction than FIA (if not entirely)...
If you really want, here is english version:
OPEN LETTER RALI VINHO MADEIRA
EUROPEAN RALLY CHAMPIONSHIP 2013
Dear Mr. Jonathan Ashman
In order that there should be no doubts with regard to our position concerning the future of the ERC and the way in which the Club Sports da Madeira/Rali Vinho Madeira has been treated throughout this whole process, we are sending for your due attention an explanatory statement regarding the moving of the Organising Body of the ERC from the FIA to Eurosports Events Ltd.
1 – Announcement from the FIA 13/8/2012
On 13 August 2012, we received from the FIA, for our attention and signed by Mr. Arnaud Crepin – Head of Rally Sporting Department – the following email, which is also known to you:
''Dear Rally Commission Members,
We would like to inform you that the negotiations between the FIA and Eurosport concerning the 2013 FIA ERC have now ended.
Therefore we will be planning for 2013 in the normal manner.
With best regards.''
We concluded therefore, that all the Events included in the 2012 ERC, could start preparing for a new season and their competitions in the 2013 ERC, within the same frameworks and current regulations, valid in the FIA.
The Organising Commission of the Rali Vinho Madeira informed its main sponsors that nothing would change for the 2013 European Championship, even having made a public declaration in fact as a result of the Inscription Request confirmation of 30/7/2012, which was sent to the Portuguese Automobile and Karting Federation, with the confirmation by the FIA of the dates of the competition, from 1/8/2013 to 3/8/2013 and indicating as an alternative date from 25/7/2013 to 27/7/2013, that inscription for the FIA European Rally Championship – Coefficient 20.
It was FIA that announced the 2013 ERC would be organised with the same manner and under the same regulations as in previous years and to that end, requested the inscription of the Rali Vinho Madeira.
The Organising Commission of the Rali Vinho Madeira supported the decision and began to make preparations for the Organising of the Event in the 2013 ERC.
2 – Press Release of the World Motor Sport Council of 28/9/2012
In the meantime, after a meeting of the World Motor Sport Council on the 28th of September, through the press release, it came to the knowledge of the Organising Clubs of the European Rallies Championship that, after all, the FIA altered its decision and determined that the Promoter of the FIA Rally Championship from 2013 for a period of 10 years would be Eurosport Event Limited.
This is contradictory to previous communications from FIA, and the Organising Clubs of the ERC Rallies are astounded and confronted with a new reality and a new wide ranging deliberation from the WMSC. A broadcaster, Eurosport, has superseding power over FIA ERC Rallies
After that communication, we learned of a confidential document, dated 25/9/2012, entitled – FIA European Rally Championship Promotion – where it is confirmed that the ''FIA has entered into negotiations with Eurosport Events Limited (EEL) with a view to appoint EEL as Promoter of the FIA European Rally Championship.''
That document includes the context, the Main Contractual Terms and The Calendar, where three points are brought to our particular attention.
i – EEL to liaise with FIA for the elaboration of the ERC calendar proposal to be submitted to the approval of the Rally Commission and the World Motorsport Council (target between 10 to 14 Events, with best 8 to 9 to count for the driver's title);
ii – FIA not to put any Event on the ERC Calendar if no Event Agreement in place with EEL;
iii – Maximum of 3 ASN hosting both a round of the WRC and ERC in 2013 with objective to progressively reduce it to zero as European Events are progressively dropped for the WRC calendar.
With regard to point 'i' this is a decision of the FIA Rally Commission but with reference to point 'ii', it is clear that only those who sign the agreement with the EEL within the framework proposed by Eurosport, will be part of the 2013 ERC Calendar of Events.
With regard to what was stipulated in point 'iii', this is worrying for the rallies in Portugal, since we have the Rally of Portugal in the WRC and the Rali Vinho Madeira in the ERC, just as in Spain and Italy. Furthermore, the objective is to progressively reduce that presence of Events, of the same country, in the WRC and ERC, reducing it to one Competition per country. That will be a fundamental question to be discussed in the future by a representation of Portuguese Rallies in FIA International Championships.
However, in none of these points is there any reference that the ERC be joined with the IRC. In fact, in no part of the communication is any reference made to the IRC Trophy and to eventual rights of their Events being included in the 2013 ERC. Thus we can conclude that there are only the rights of presence and former commitments of the FIA for the Events which make up the 2012 ERC, concerning their inclusion in the 2013 ERC.
It is clear that there is a new ERC. And that the abolition or not of the IRC is an exclusive decision of the EEL.
3 – Negotiations between the Organisers of the ERC EVENTS with EEL
When the Press Release of the WRCC came to our knowledge, we put the same question to all ERC Organisers:
''What happens now? Where do we stand and what are the steps to follow?''
After our request, with regard to what will be the next steps, on 2 October 2012 Mr Radovan Novak replies and clarifies by email to all organisers:
''I will tell you the next steps. Eurosport will negotiate with every organizer about 2013 season and those accept the financial conditions will be in ERC.''
For us, everything is more clear and explained. The EEL would contact all the Organising Clubs of the 2012 ERC Rallies, proposing the financial conditions and whoever accepts and has a budget, their rally will be part of the 2013 European Championship!
It has ceased to be a sporting question, or organizational matter, well or poorly executed event, of long or short history in the ERC, better or worse classified by the Observers, etc, etc, and has become a financial question regarding the acceptance or rejection of the financial contract proposed by Eurosport. Ins short, the event organisers who accept the contractual conditions, will have their competition included in the 2013 ERC. That would be the prevailing guarantee.
4 – Proposal of the EEL
In spite of the various emails sent and of various requests made, the Organising Body of the Rali Vinho Madeira has never received nor been contacted, officially and formally, by anyone responsible at the EEL, and up to the present date is unaware of the financial nor contractual conditions which the EEL will demand of the Club Sports da Madeira in order to be part of the 2013 ERC Calendar. Furthermore, we have been requesting for a presentation of the proposal, since it will be the Regional Government of Madeira which decides over its financial support and the keeping of the Rali Vinho Madeira in the 2013 European Championship and future ERC editions.
We reaffirm that we have never been presented with nor been communicated regarding any financial proposal from the part of the EEL, as was agreed with FIA. As a matter of fact, we particularly alerted Mr. Marcello Lotti, Mr. Jonathan Ashman, Mr. Radovan Novak, Mr. Luiz Pinto Freitas, and the President of the Regional Government of Madeira, to the fact that we had not yet been contacted for the presentation of the financial conditions of the EEL.
5 – Provisional Calendar of the 2013 ERC
It was with enormous surprise that we learned of the Press Release of 5 November from the EEL with the 2013 Provisional FIA European Rally Championship Calendar, where our Event, the 2013 Rali Vinho Madeira – is not included, and where it states that all the Organising Clubs of the Rallies of the European Championship were contacted, which is simply not true!
From our part, we reaffirm that that we have not been officially contacted and we are totally unaware of any financial conditions demanded by the EEL.
We immediately sent an email to Mr. Jonathan Ashman, Mr. Marcello Lotti, Mr. Radovan Novak and Mr. Luiz Pinto Freitas, indicating our grave displeasure and humiliation that an Organization which has for the last 34 years been in the European Championship, had been excluded by the EEL and, to our astonishment, that in the provisional calendar appeared the 'SATA Azores Rally', an event which has never been part of the European Championship, only as a European Cup, and, in recent years, been in the IRC.
In addition, on the November 7th, 2012, addressed to our Clerk of the Course, Mr. Pedro Araújo, we received an email from Mr. François Ribeiro, stating that they were surprised by our position since Mr. Marcello Lotti had spoken by telephone to Mr. José Paulo Fontes and explained to him the situation of the Portuguese round of ERC, and that Mr. Luiz Pinto de Freitas, president o the Portuguese Federation of Automobilism and Karting (FPAK) was also contacted regarding the EEL decision.
It is clear in the email from François Ribeiro that EEL first decided which was the Portuguese competition that would be included in the 2013 ERC calendar, and only tried later to explain the decision by telephone, without ever contacting Rali Vinho Madeira and giving the possibility of having a say on the matter.
Up to the present date, there has been no contact with Rali Vinho Madeira with the presentation of the terms of the contract to be signed with EEL, by which we always exercise our rightful position in the presence of FIA – Rallies Commission.
6 – Explanation for the inclusion of the 'SATA Azores Rally' and the exclusion of the 'Madeira Wine Rally.'
As we have affirmed and maintained in this position statement, in no communication by FIA is it stated that the IRC rallies have any predominant rights over the ERC events. In fact, if any trophy were defunct, it was the IRC. FIA signed an agreement with EEL for the Promotion of the 2013 ERC, not for the 2013 IRC. There are no existing rights nor contracts still valid with Events of the 2012 IRC. To declare that ''Azores was under IRC Promoter Agreement with Eurosports Events until end of 2012 with a privileged position for 2013'' is superimposing an IRC Event, which has no authority over the ERC calendar, to the detriment of the Rali Vinho Madeira, which is in its own right and has been in the European Championship for 34 years. Not having IRC in 2013 is no legal foundation for the extension of such contract. Besides, this can never be accepted as an justification for not contacting Club Sports da Madeira.
Stating that ''The Açores local Government indicated us their intention to renew their support to the Rali Sata Açores Event Promoter, and enhanced their financial contribution to upgrade TV signal from highlights package live broadcast operations in 2013'' cannot be an argument, because that was, and is, the motto and justification for our insistence for the presentation of the terms and conditions of the Financial Agreement to be established. This is order for the matter to be submitted for review by the Regional Government of Madeira and a decision made with regard to the financial support to the 2013 edition of Rali Vinho Madeira. In this new context, Eurosport Events Limited would relegated simply to promote the Rali Vinho Madeira ERC event and its organisation.
Conclusion:
For the reasons stated above, and for the formal contact on the part of EEL regarding the presentation of the proposal for the rightful inclusion of the Rali Vinho Madeira in the 2013 ERC, we will dully appeal to FIA and FPAK, in the terms of this expounding statement and exercising its rights as organiser of the event, conveying our position to the President of the Regional Government of Madeira, to the International Sporting Authorities and to all the event organisers of the FIA European Championship.
Madeira, November 12, 2012
Club Sports da Madeira
Organisers of ERC Event – Rali Vinho Madeira.
I think it is ashame that Vinho Madeira is not in erc 2013 calendar, one of the oldest ERC rallys, and definitly one of the best, nou doubt of that, they deserve to be there because of all the things i said before and also the passion for the rally of Madeira's people. But they don t know if they would be cappable (euros) to do the event, so i don t understande this position, it is too late....
Eurosport don't seem to have conducted themselves particularly courteously - what with it all (seemingly) being down to money - but on the other hand Rali Vinho da Madeira look like they're clutching at straws. Unfortunate that the rally isn't on the calendar but the ERC should have a healthy split between surfaces and sadly some good rallies will fall by the wayside - unless there was a 24 event calendar!
Maybe to make the ERC great they should give less consideration to geographical split and all that boring s***. I'd much prefer to see the best rallies in europe outside of the WRC on the calendar and if that meant two in Portugal, three in Italy, none in The Balkans etc etc then who cares??? Even if there were none in my home country I would still be watching great competition on tv at the best events out there.
Pluto; do you know anything about Bosphorus Rally and ERC?