Well if the few thousands of corpses, in the past ten years, resulting from followers of the Koran, does not convince you, nothing will as your bias is overwhelmingly skewed.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
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Well if the few thousands of corpses, in the past ten years, resulting from followers of the Koran, does not convince you, nothing will as your bias is overwhelmingly skewed.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Sadly that is too true, while one may loath what Muslims do, one has to admire their loyalty and devotion to their faith.Quote:
Originally Posted by markabilly
roflmao- http://www.motorsportforums.com/images/icons/eek.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by race aficionado
Very-very weak- blah-blah-blah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain VXR
[quote="Brown, Jon Brow"]It is quite self-centered to think that 'God' wants to have a personal relationship with us insignificant humans. -[b] Really?
How so?
So why do Christians kneel down when they pray?[b]some do, some do not.
Those who do, do it out of reverence, OR because they were taught to do so and I doubt they were explained as tp why.
So why would 'God' make Earth as good as he could, but not quite as good as he made heaven?[b] A third of heavens angels fell with Satan.
What is your point?
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It is amazing that a large portion of this thread seems to consist of calling Christians are no better, or worse than Muslims, despite the thousand of people murdered by Muslims in the past decade.
Sounds like a bit of bigotry to me and yes I am bigoted against the Muslim faith.
At the same time I have worked with and had Muslim friends who were either decent people, or good ole boy hell raisers who liked to have good time.
That's nitpicking, isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
All of which makes you, IMO, as deluded as any other religous believer, as you are more inclined to take your direction from a text that was written by people, that was nothing more than an exercise is control, than you are to make your own rational direction based on the human experience, which (again IMO) is far more valuable.Quote:
Originally Posted by DanicaFan
You talk of the Truth, only way to heaven, gods grace etc without anything more than a wholly scientifically inaccurate text and the interpreted teachings from that as a way to live your life. Please, provide some information of when God has spoken to you, why is it we must believe without evidence (a very convenient get out for something tha doesn't exist).
Also, before you jump up and down, i do respect your right to belive, i just don't understand it one bit ( I was raised Christian, have attended CofE, Baptist, Methodist and Catholic services and find it all to be nothing more than basic theatre), and I would also refer my entire previous paragraphs to anyone of Muslim faith. Don't for one second think that the bible is all about peace and tolerance, you can cherry pick plenty of verses in order to suit a view to allow persecution, stonings etc of various people or groups.
I can find no positive influence that any religon can provide, that a rational atheist cannot manage perfectly well without supernatural guidance.
equally for me, and I don't see the need for the use of the words "Radical" or "Fundamentalist" to be honest, as the whole premise of the belief system is both radcial and fundamentalist to me. althoough there are obviously degrees of moderation in which the chosen religon is practicedQuote:
Originally Posted by henners88
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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
If you have to ask the question then I doubt you will ever understand. Do you have any idea how big the universe is? Or how many species have existed before we have?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
Looks to me like a submission of fear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
Do you always think as logically as this? Your last point is so ridiculous it does not value a reply.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
Like this?Quote:
Originally Posted by DanicaFan
A List Of Biblical Contradictions
I was speaking very specifically about terrorists. I don't actually believe that a terrorist is a person with religion other than say, terror.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
If we could still have quotes in our signatures, I'd have this:
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Originally Posted by Robinho
Truth got to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
The bias of your rhetoric is like a big zit on your posts.
Give me the death tolls, for the past ten years comparing Christian suicide bombers to Christian suicide bombers.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
If you do not do that, any comparison of the religions is bull-****.
You cannot defend your rhetoric.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
Typical prattle of an anti-religious bigot.
That site is the aniti-christian equivalence of anti-denomination heresy-hunter sites-- lies and damned lies because of either ignorance or simple hatred.Quote:
Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
You can dig into these ancient books and find 'instructions" that are out of date or totally ridiculous and dangerous.
is there an App to bring us to the 21st century and get rid of these old inflammatory writings ? :rolleyes:
Deuteronomy 22:13-21 - ESVBible.org
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But if the thing is true, that evidence of virginity was not found in the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones, because she has done an outrageous thing in Israel by whoring in her father's house. So you shall purge the evil from your midst.
Well I did. You just chose to ignore it, possible because you can't defend your rhetoric. So once again - do you have any idea how big the universe is? Or how many species have existed before we have? Why would we -as humans- bare any significance on the 'creator' of all of this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
As for you claim about 'fallen angels' - something I could imagine the village drunk talking about - what evidence do you have for this? What you assert without any evidence I will dismiss without any evidence.
Why am I a bigot for just questioning your beliefs? If I said that I didn't want to share the Earth with religious people then that might warrant being called a bigot. But all I'm am doing is asking you to explain why. The same we do if someone has different political belief or taste in music etc.
It has been written in this forum, many times, that the New Testament fulfills the old and the laws, which were, for the Jews.Quote:
Originally Posted by race aficionado
Jesus fulfilling of what was written in the Old Testament makes that verse moot.
Your bias or bigotry makes you bliind to that fact.
You are prattling on with accusation and childish insults about Christian this, that and other things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
Defend your rhetoric with some sort of fact; whereas failure to do so simply amounts to blind bigotry.
Do you have any Muslim friends now? Or would you be too afraid still to socialise with them, for fear of what might happen?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
Being bigoted is nothing to be proud of under any circumstances.
No. Such errors, when combined with the point of view being expressed, indicate to me that the individual concerned is not intelligent enough to formulate a reasonable, cogent argument. The fact that their opinions are lifted from a website confirms that view.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rudy Tamasz
Why just the last 10 years?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
---------My what a blatant ignoring of the bombing of mosques, churches, weddings, funerals, shopping centers by the Muslim (soldiers?)Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
If you think that is just war, too bad you are not running the war over there. It would have been over years ago by indiscriminately turning, as many need be, Muslim cites and villages into " smoking holes in the desert. "{That is the simple statement by H. Clinton that proved she would have been better than the Obama.})
LOL, so you think you, or some have, to even a hint of a degree, produced- "some very valid questions and arguments"- hot damn, you have some very low expectations for a valid arguments (there was one point of the Irish, that was valid to its degree and that is the ONLY item that could be called valid.)
What has been produced here is at the Pee-Wee Herman level of " I know I'm not, what about you?"
Opinions that are biased, to genuinely bigoted, has been all that has been produced, while ignoring facts that make the Islam-Christian analogy pathetic at best, and stupid at worst.
Muslims are murdering people, both infidels and opposing denominations (or what ever Sunni, Shiite etc. call other Muslims.)
The effort is being made here, without a base, to say Christians are no different.
(An effort was made to say Eastern religions were so much more peaceful; whereas that ignores how the Japanese treated others during WWII, the conflicts between Pakistan and India, and probably a few other conflicts by these people with their peaceful religion that does not come to mind.)
If that is so, give me the numbers in the twenty first, or hell, even the twentieth Century of people murdered by Christians in the name of the Bible, randomly or by discriminate choice, those not of their faith.
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Originally Posted by BDunnell
It does not seem that long ago, but it has been ten years since I last worked with one, although while trying to find the correct church, I walked into the building where the church had been and it was now a mosque.
When I walked in, it was a night service and the lights were on, and asked if this was the Methodist church, the Somalians inside smiled laughed and said, no that had moved one block down. They also said I was not the first one to do that.
Okay, I will try for a third time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
Do you have any evidence that 'god' wants to have a personal relationship with humans? As I said earlier, given the size of the universe and the history of species on this one planet we call Earth, that is quite a self-centered assumption to make.
I have lots of facts in order to defend my argument, but your argument hasn't developed enough for me to be able to use them.
Who is the Islam's quarterback??
I really don't know what you are talking about - and if has been said many times in this forum, it must be trueQuote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
Bob, I was brought up as a Christian and it did not take me long to reject the fear mongering "lessons". I am not biased nor a bigot and do not need to prove it's "truth" to you. I am at peace with my experiences (and notice how I didn't say beliefs).Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
peace
:s mokin:
Evidence- hmm, that would mean one either believes there is a god of some sort, or is seriously trying to inquire if there is one. Then one would read the/a religions holy text to see what it says.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
Does God want to have a personal relationship?
No, I would say, God would be happy if one wants to have a relationship with him. If one does not, God will not worry about it.
You have facts to prove there is no god of any sort?
Now that is something entirely different, as no religion has proof of any sort, a god exists.
What the Bible says, amongst other things, is that Jesus turned water into wine. Any sensible being of sound mind knows that this is impossible. Not the most reliable source, perhaps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
For the Christian faith, the only source.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
One either accepts what is written at face value, or becomes one of thousands of "churches" (or religious organizations) remaking the Christian God in their own image.
Impossible?
Scientists said for years nothing could exceed the speed of light but recently they are having second thoughts.
Impossible, only if one absolutely believes there is no god, and that if the one cannot do it, no one- can. Mean while, men will continue to try, while explaining in man made theories that which they cannot prove. to prove there is no god.
You are equating a theory " all scientific fact" is in reality a theory as there are no absolutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
But Bob, are you really of the belief that a man turned water into wine? Maybe he started the twelve sstep program afterwards too.
If you knew what you were talking about you would answer some of the questions posed. What is that term I keep hearing about people like you, is it sheeple (as in a follower)?Quote:
Originally Posted by DanicaFan
Do you just sit there and allow yourself to be preached to and believe everything you hear without inquiry? I see in some forums that there are those that believe that Hitler was a left leaning fascist which is in fact an oxymoron. Please answer at least the water to wine and the loaves to fish miracle.In addition, was your Gerry Falwell (sic) or Pat Robertson one of the people who lectured you? Your failure to answer questions posed to you suggests that you are not well read or knowledgeable.
By the way, what is the second commandment? It has something to do with idolatry and false Gods. Hmmm, a unsettling attachment to a female race car driver.....
Unless those contradictory passages are falsified, then my point remains.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
Mean while, this thread topic is about the "real Islam" while you and others like you, just keep yapping on about how evil Christians are at best or make silly remarks that those in a mutual admiration society do to bond.Quote:
Originally Posted by monadvspec
Thank you.
You made my point quite well that your attacks are nothing more than bigotry unleashed.
Valid off-topic questions, have not been asked.
The bs site about Bible contradictions rests its hopes on people being either too apathetic or biased, to take time to actually read the Bible and see that the supposed contradictions are created by taking items out of context, or deliberate ignorance.
The Bible consists of writings by different people writing what they saw and thought should be recorded.
It is not a pre-planned item with writers consulting each other on what the others are writing; therefore the method of telling an item, and what is or is not included, will be from the style of the author of that piece. (As a police officer would say- ask five people who saw the same thing what happened and you will get at least three different versions- NOT because each sees not something different but because each recalls what that person finds most memorable or important in the scene.)
Now the actual book WAS put together by scholars who rather than change what was written to make a nice flowing tome, cobbled it together as fluid as possible, without changing any. (Books that were considered non-Canon were eliminated. Some say( R. Catholics kept some of them) the history in them would have helped, while others say too much in them was possibly copiers amplifying the books, because they could.---------{If you really give a damn, read books on the early Christian church and or writings by some of the people who put it together over a thousand years ago. })
For those who actually do not know, it was not written in chapters and verses, that was supposed to make it easier to read.
I can give you a web site that takes all the contradictions that that site lists and rips the author's ignorance to threads by using what the Bible actually says, but then you boys would jump on the table and say, "Oh yeah, another Christian site, like we are supposed to believe what they write?"
Why don't you boys start a- Christians are evil- thread, you can have a hay-day there.
Sorry boys, I am not going take hours to cut and paste out of the Bible and then try to explain, what it actually says, to people who would just make grade-school insults because their minds are made up, while this off topic item is their current equivalent of target shooting with blanks.
You have no point and the site's contradictions do not exist unless one pops out quotes in a manner to fit one's agenda.Quote:
Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
Read the Bible and see why this wannabe heresy-hunter's site is wrong.
If you do not want to do that, there is, or are, sites that directly answer each contradiction listed by the atheist equivalent of a heresy-hunter.
If you are going to take what he writes at face value, then it is hypocritical to not check and see what those who answered his charges have said.
Why should you be able say that muslims are murdering people but in the same breath state that Christians are not? Should this really be a Muslims kill people and Christians dont argument or a Christians kill people and Muslims dont argument? At the end of the day people kill people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
Remove the words 'with Islam' and you would be spot-on.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
No, without going to read the whole bible, the point I made was that claims of the Koran being erronous could just as easily be applied to the Bible, and defended or justified with the same logic. Which makes DanicaFan's argument on those grounds, baseless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
What is this obsession with numbers? If Religion A is responsible for x deaths, and Religion B is responsible for x/2 deaths, does that mean that A is "better" than B? No, it means that both religions have crappy factions who interpret their respective texts in a way which justifies killing. That's not something to be proud of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
I know that the Christians who go around killing and discriminating, spreading hatrid and bigotry, aren't representative of the entire religion. So why do people have this mental block about the tiny minority of Muslims who do the same, tainting the vast majority of peaceful followers of their faith? And why does it appear that a disproportionate number of those people with the mental block are Americans?