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Originally Posted by ioan
"And if you think the targetting of Hamilton by the stewards for lying in Australia 09 was race related??"
How is this clear? It's not a proper sentence or question.
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Originally Posted by ioan
"And if you think the targetting of Hamilton by the stewards for lying in Australia 09 was race related??"
How is this clear? It's not a proper sentence or question.
What hapened in Aus 2009?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
All this congecture about race; what if Lewis's grandmpther was Dutch. Sorry, just watching itv4 and enjoying Mel Brooks taking the p!ss out of racists and racism.
http://www.rocketnews.com/2011/05/ha...ke-stewards-2/
Disciplined For ‘Bringing A Sport Into Disrepute’ — A Framework For Judicial Review (Melbourne University Law Review)Quote:
The Englishman’s comments could land him in trouble with F1′s governing body, the FIA, who may consider that contravene the rule saying competitors must not bring the sport into disrepute.
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/MULR/2001/22.html
WOW! 244 post about a tongue in cheek comment that Hamilton made. WOW!
Now if he had been white and said, "maybe it's because I'm white", would there have been 244 post?
If he did said sorry, that's nice. :) Hopefully, he will be calmer in the next races and we won't see dangerous accidents caused by him or any other driver.
I am tempted to comment the hate-bash of X to MS, but I see that ioan did a good job :)
Hammy lied to the stewards. It's the English I'm on about.Quote:
Originally Posted by tfp
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Originally Posted by henners88
Did he really write it like that? My head hurts from having to read that text speak.
Personally I don't believe he should have apologized at all, certainly not to Maldonado. Maldonado was at fault for that incident and can clearly be seen by watching it again.
To include di Resta in dangerous drivers list is a bit excessive. If we look at the incident closer it cost him his front wings, drive trough penalty awarded and put him out of point finisher contenders, it didn't cause any damage on Jamie's car. He is only a rookie, the incident would be a worthwhile lesson on how to drive fast but emotionally controlled and calm... He should have held his hands up for the incident nicely... :)
In a BBC interview afterwards Di Resta did hold his hands up afterwards and say that it was his fault and he was over-ambitious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arjuna
wait a minute.... you are underrating the opposition. if Alonso mentioned he was white Ioan still would have lost his mind about it... and so many others. The funny thing is X and Ioan would have been the bestest friends ever if that were the case :laugh: .Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Who cares what they say anyway? Alonso kept saying on Thursday how it was only Friday Practice in an interview. I was waiting for Ioan to complain he didn't go to work the next day because of him. Didn't he?
He's a wonderful boy, isn't he? I don't know what MS' wife thinks of him but it must be nice for MS to have such a mighty e-defender.Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
His arguments with X remind me of the old saying :"When and unstoppable force meets and unmovable object". I had my fair share of arguments with ioan, but here I think that he is right...
yeah... it's like breaking an unstoppable wind
Nice quote from Twit Lewis :
"I never meant to offend no one ."
There's a definite touch of ebonics about that. Why that's just about as black as it gets. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
Copy error methinks - meant to be ne1. In the reports I've seen it has been written as no1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
I was pointing to the double negative in the statement .Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
Your words sound rather racist .
I assume you were applying the southern US accent to it .
If you have ever travelled to that part of the world , you would notice that , if born there , everyone speaks with that same accent .
Just like the statement from Lewis , yours was also in very bad taste .
Clearly , I should mentioned that his twitter statement was a double negative , and that he said , essentially , the opoosite of what he meant .
Or , was it a Freudian slip from Lewis ?
the apology is a bit meanlingless when he already wrecked both their races, that atrocious interview capped off a very poor performance
I was joking!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
No1 - that's Vettel's car right?Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
NO ONE !! written as no1.He surely meant no-one.
well he had to grovel with his apologies,when I dont think he should have done,but there goes ,he has to keep the team and the sponsors happy.
ANYWAY lets hope that Lewis can kick some ass in Montreal,,and show us all how good he really is,
REMEMBER Lewis "Actions speak louder than words" SO lets see motor RACING !!!
Has Hamilton ever asked himself why he is in F1, maybe because he is black. As a 13 year old karter supported by McLaren, with TAG watches and arriving in a Mercedes perhaps the novelty value of being non white helped then. His undiubted talent stood out because of the difference in the typical mix of european kart meetings. You are what you are and racism is bad. But equally bad when you use it to your advantage to get sponsors and become noticed. Its like these minor celebrities craving for media attention one minute then diving for cover in a super injuntion.
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Onboard view of the Massa-Hamilton accident. Massa clearly takes a different and much tighter line at Loews than the Red Bull and Torro Rosso in front of him and turns in much sooner. Why? Was he trying to overtake Webber? But Webber was already past the corner. Hamilton's nose was at Massa's sidepod when he turned in to him. Surely he could have seen this in his mirrors?
Well Lewis has already won twice in Canada so he must like this circuit... must be odds on favorite
Oh dear oh dear oh dear - eejot of the year award nomination...Quote:
Originally Posted by MJW
He is where he is because he can drive 'kin fast and has excellent racecraft.
Of course, if the world was free of racism, skin colour would mean diddly squat - sadly, not the case, is it?
Oh yes, he is in F1 because he's black. In the 90s Ron Dennis was going around the country looking for a black boy to pump all of Mclaren's money into, so that one day, as soon as he turns 18, he could attract sponsors because of his skin color. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by MJW
+1 from me. Just simply ridiculously amazing...Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
This just in. Cars must take EXACTLY the same line as the car in front unless they are McLarens in which case they can use whatever line they want?Quote:
Originally Posted by X-ecutioner
What would be helpful is if there was another in-car shot from the McLaren of the lap[s] previous to this at the hairpin to establish Massa's normal line there. If it is different, then it is not unreasonable to assume Massa made a deliberate early turn in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Racing a F1 car is intense stuff, doubly so at Monaco. I think most drivers glance at the mirror just before the corner to see if someone is close enough to overtake and/or ducking out to make the pass, but at turn-in they're focused on making the corner. Take Hamilton's pass on Schumacher at Ste. Devote for instance, Schumacher widened his line once he saw the nose of the McLaren in his peripheral vision, and most late-overtakes that don't result in a collision, don't result in one because the overtaking driver got far enough alongside; say the nose to the front wheel or thereabouts. IMO Massa couldn't reasonably know Lewis was going to be there, just making it to the sidepod ain't enough. Hamilton committed himself to a last-millisecond overtake and simply wasn't far enough alongside. 100% Hamilton's fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by X-ecutioner
ha ha, wound you roundy roundy boys up. Back of to my home on world rally forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by X-ecutioner
Ah come on. So now you can only move a certain amount on the track from one lap to another? The fact is that it's the responsibility of the guy behind to make a safe pass. What you're asking if effectively for Massa just to give the place away.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
No! But if you can establish a pattern to Massa's line around the hairpin, you can then apply a test of reasonableness - i.e. was it reasonable to assume that Massa would continue to take the same line. This will be a consideration that lead to Lewis making a move there. As was said in the interview, it is nigh on impossible to overtake, so you have to make the opportunity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
As for the St Devote incident with Maldonado, take a gander at this, it's tidy!
Interesting analyses… «
At the end of the day it's the responsibility of the driver behind to make the overtake safely.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
........umless the guy you are trying to pass turns in early on you........Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
I won't lie to you, this is true, but, as Martin Brundle pointed out when referencing his own experience of overtaking at Monaco - you need a willing opponent.
I'm off for an omelette.......
Lewis was hounding Massa for the previous 4-5 laps, so Massa would have known that he was in danger of being overtaken at any point, and IMO he was perfectly aware of where Lewis was. He was too far behind Webber to attempt a move, so the only logical explanation for him turning sooner on that corner is to block Hamilton. Still Lewis was way too overeager. I'd say 70-30 Hamilton's fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shifter
So then, MS gave his place away to Lewis? No, I think he just used his mirrors better. Same place, same move, Maldonado turned in sooner to block. For the successful completion of an overtaking maneuver on ANY track, the responsibility for it being clean lies with both drivers, this is what we were told before every karting race. You can block the faster driver to an extent, but at no point should you try to push him into the wall. Or the driver getting passed can simply turn into the overtaker, ala Schumacher doing it to Hill and Villenueve or squeezing the piss out of Rubens last year at Hungary, or chopping off some poor bloke's wing at Turkey this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Hell, none of the Ferrari top brass have said anything negative about the Massa move, deeming it a race incident. Domenicali was quite hush about it. And now Sam Michael has called the incident with Maldonado a racing incident as well:
Michael: Hamilton-Maldonado clash racing incident - GPUpdate.net
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Michael: Hamilton-Maldonado clash racing incident
31 May 2011
Williams Technical Director Sam Michael has pointed a finger at neither Lewis Hamilton nor Pastor Maldonado for the incident which took the Venezuelan out of Sunday’s Monaco Grand Prix. While lying sixth and heading for a maiden Formula 1 points finish with just five laps to go, the car was put out of action at St. Devote corner.
“It was a racing incident,” Michael said briefly in a Tuesday review of the race from Williams. However, after the coming together, Rubens Barrichello was able to cross the line in ninth to pick up the Grove outfit’s first two points of 2011.
“It was great for everyone involved to get some points on the board and we must thank Rubens for bringing home our first of the season,” Michael commented. “It was however, somewhat bittersweet because Pastor was looking good for a big points haul.”
It takes two for a successful overtake - if the person being overtaken doesn't accept this and turns in - what is the overtaker supposed to do? Disappear...
Remember Panis on Irvine at the same spot in 1996? Don't remember a penalty for that? Schuey overtook Lewis and Rosberg at the same place, they both saw it and allowed the move to happen. They could have been boneheaded and turned in, like Massa...
Thanks SGWilko for the link. These pictures need to be embedded.
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/857...naco2011t1.jpg
http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/3...nacoturn1b.jpg
He's actually closer to Maldonado than MS. Clearly Maldonado turned in way too soon.
after seeing the interview in full last night i think it has been beaten up to make it look worse then it was
http://i51.tinypic.com/bdle1c.jpg
is google ads racist ?
They're trying to make her less black! This is a whitewash!!!!!