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20th March 2011, 22:12
Rollo

Breaking news:

http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/u...av55/rV8z0.jpg

In other news this week, France has announced that it's national symbol will no longer be the Gallic Rooster but the "Cheese-Eating Surrender Monkey" :D
21st March 2011, 03:44
Tazio

What's the over under line on how much longer Moammar Kadafi will last until his reign of terror is destroyed.
I give him 34 hrs as of 8:20 PDT.

What sayeth thee.

The image below is of the British expeditionary force surrendering to combined French and Colonial Forces Near Yorktown.

Lord Howe was too humiliated (I mean ill) to have the stones to hand his sword over to General Washington.
Instead he hands it off to a subordinate with instructions to present it to General Rochambeau :bigcry:

http://www.solarnavigator.net/histor...cornwallis.jpg

:s ailor: Winning
21st March 2011, 04:53
Tazio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Alcatraz

What's the over under line on how much longer Moammar Kadafi will last until his reign of terror is destroyed.
I give him 34 hrs as of 8:20 PDT.

What sayeth thee.

The image below is of the British expeditionary force surrendering to combined French and Colonial Forces Near Yorktown.

Lord Howe was too humiliated (I mean ill) to have the stones to hand his sword over to General Washington.
Instead he hands it off to a subordinate with instructions to present it to General Rochambeau :bigcry:

http://www.solarnavigator.net/histor...cornwallis.jpg

:s ailor: Adonis DNA

;)
21st March 2011, 04:59
Tazio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Alcatraz

;)

:s ailor:Tigerblood ;)
21st March 2011, 05:11
Tazio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Alcatraz

What's the over under line on how much longer Moammar Kadafi will last until his reign of terror is destroyed.
I give him 34 hrs as of 8:20 PDT.

What sayeth thee.

http://www.solarnavigator.net/histor...cornwallis.jpg

:s ailor: Winning

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21st March 2011, 05:16
Tazio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Alcatraz

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:bigcry:

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21st March 2011, 05:20
Bob Riebe

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Alcatraz

I have been enlightened. I believe it is simply more evidence that truth is stranger than fiction. I don't know all of the details, however I was talking to my brother well before, the invasion, and I said jokingly that we may have to kill Sarkosy after this deal is done because of what a fascist he is proving to be. Many people remember that he decided to ban Berkas in public in France. I don't know all the dynamics but it sounds a little over the top in a democratic society. Apparently he approached the Prime Minister of Germany, and suggested to her that the Germans should also get in on this Rodeo. When she refused It has been revealed that he was ready to go it alone. Personally if that is the way a leader of a modern society feels it is more than a little amazing to me. Maybe (because his country has such a large population of Muslims) this may be part of his motivation. I have a contingency plan. I thought I pasted it but for some strange reason it disappeared. It is not outside the realm of possibility that I only dreamed it. The scenario goes something like this:
Offer all French Muslim women their Berkas back and give them a choice. Take your Berka and get back to the country I just liberated for you. Or, get a Brazilian Wax, put on a thong and have casual sex like proper French women do :)

BTW What kind of a French name is Sarkosy?

Welcome back Glauistien.
21st March 2011, 05:23
Bob Riebe

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Originally Posted by Eki

You forget that there wasn't a civil war going on in Iraq. It wasn't an intervention, it was an invasion and an attack against a peaceful country. Furthermore, the intervention in Libya has been approved by the UN, the invasion in Iraq hadn't. Libya and Iraq are two different things, although not totally different.

Who or what gives the U.N. authority in any countries internal affairs
21st March 2011, 05:25
Tazio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Alcatraz

What's the over under line on how much longer Moammar Kadafi will last until his reign of terror is destroyed.
I give him 34 hrs as of 8:20 PDT.

What sayeth thee.

The image below is of the British expeditionary force surrendering to combined French and Colonial Forces Near Yorktown.

My mistake it was thre honerable Lord Cornwallis :bigcry: http://www.solarnavigator.net/histor...cornwallis.jpg :dozey:

:s ailor: Winning

:dozey:
21st March 2011, 05:25
Bob Riebe

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eki

At least no revolution or civil war going on in Zimbawe.

He killed some to set an example.
21st March 2011, 05:41
Eki

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Who or what gives the U.N. authority in any countries internal affairs

The Security Council that is run by the US.
21st March 2011, 05:53
Bob Riebe

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eki

The Security Council that is run by the US.

Who or what gives the security council any legal authority over any other country?
21st March 2011, 06:03
Tazio

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Welcome back Glauistien.

Thanks mr Hay-seed anything I can do for
youVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV
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you!AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
21st March 2011, 06:09
Eki

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Who or what gives the security council any legal authority over any other country?

The UN Charter.
21st March 2011, 06:11
Tazio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Who or what gives the security council any legal authority over any other country?

Bobby your just upset because this turns your belief system upside down! :(
21st March 2011, 06:13
Tazio

Eki I don't know if this changes anything but Sarkosy is a Jew :eek:
21st March 2011, 06:29
Eki

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Alcatraz

Eki I don't know if this changes anything but Sarkosy is a Jew :eek:

If the Libyans will find that out, they might all unite against the coalition, even the rebels.
21st March 2011, 06:31
Koz

I wonder if the Arab League knows...

Edit: Why did you stop winning? :p
21st March 2011, 06:52
Tazio

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Originally Posted by Koz

I wonder if the Arab League knows...

Edit: Why did you stop winning? :p

I don't think it would bother them nearly as much as our great nation is run by an inferior race.
But the good news is that it's common knowledge that Obama is a brother of Islam. I heard that on Beck :laugh:
By the way bro, do you have a chat set up for this weekend?
21st March 2011, 07:04
Bob Riebe

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eki

The UN Charter.

What makes the UN charter worth the paper it was written on.
What authority it behind it. The UN has no authority anywhere by any law.
The UN can say they are the great kahuna, but like anything they do, but what legal authority gives them any right.
21st March 2011, 07:15
Tazio

Here it is.........

The smoking gun!!!!!

Hide the children

We’ve been Horns waggled :eek:

Liberal

Dem

Fraternizing with the enemy

http://therealbarackobama.files.word...fi-and-o-2.jpg
21st March 2011, 07:43
Koz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

What makes the UN charter worth the paper it was written on.

None except the fact that member nations signed it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

What authority it behind it. The UN has no authority anywhere by any law.
The UN can say they are the great kahuna, but like anything they do, but what legal authority gives them any right.

As above.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Alcatraz

But the good news is that it's common knowledge that Obama is a brother of Islam. I heard that on Beck :laugh:

And his long lost cousin Osama. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Alcatraz

By the way bro, do you have a chat set up for this weekend?

Yup. It's still up from last year.
21st March 2011, 09:01
Rollo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

What makes the UN charter worth the paper it was written on.
What authority it behind it. The UN has no authority anywhere by any law.
The UN can say they are the great kahuna, but like anything they do, but what legal authority gives them any right.

What makes ANZUS worth the paper it was written on? What makes NATO worth the paper it was written on? What makes NAFTA worth the paper it was written on?
The answer to those three questions contains the answer which you are so keen to deny.
21st March 2011, 09:51
Bob Riebe

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rollo

What makes ANZUS worth the paper it was written on? What makes NATO worth the paper it was written on? What makes NAFTA worth the paper it was written on?
The answer to those three questions contains the answer which you are so keen to deny.

In all those the countries affected agreed to it.

Libya did not agree to let any UN bs screw them.

Your analogy is void.

The UN is an empty suit with not legal powers, except perhaps the barrel of a gun.
21st March 2011, 10:00
Retro Formula 1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rollo

What makes ANZUS worth the paper it was written on? What makes NATO worth the paper it was written on? What makes NAFTA worth the paper it was written on?
The answer to those three questions contains the answer which you are so keen to deny.

You forgot the constitution of the US of A and the God given right to bear arms :laugh:
21st March 2011, 11:32
ArrowsFA1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

What makes the UN charter worth the paper it was written on.
What authority it behind it. The UN has no authority anywhere by any law.

Of course it doesn't if it is undermined and criticised at every opportunity in certain quarters.

It's interesting to note the contempt that successive US Republican administrations have for the UN, at least at the beginning of their terms (link). Of course they would probably argue that their initially antagonistic approach improved the UN in some way which is why their views changed by the time they left office.

Perhaps the reality is that the UN is an essential forum in times where there are few 'local' issues in the international community. Fortunately from the start the Obama administration has taken a far more positive approach (link).
21st March 2011, 12:05
Eki

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rollo

What makes ANZUS worth the paper it was written on? What makes NATO worth the paper it was written on? What makes NAFTA worth the paper it was written on?
The answer to those three questions contains the answer which you are so keen to deny.

You could also add the US constitution to that list.
21st March 2011, 12:56
Retro Formula 1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eki

You could also add the US constitution to that list.

Wakey, wakey Eki ;)
21st March 2011, 12:57
markabilly

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eki

You could also add the US constitution to that list.

What makes the US Constitution worth something, is that it was agreed to and should be honored as the supreme law of the land, which Obama completely failed to do when he sent the cruise missiles flying. Instead, he honored the wishes of a few drooling foreign politicos over at the UN, in direct violation of the consitution, and in so doing, killed people outside the law of the land.

For this, he should be impeached.
Period.
21st March 2011, 13:31
Zico

Quote:

Originally Posted by markabilly

What makes the US Constitution worth something, is that it was agreed to and should be honored as the supreme law of the land, which Obama completely failed to do when he sent the cruise missiles flying. Instead, he honored the wishes of a few drooling foreign politicos over at the UN, in direct violation of the consitution, and in so doing, killed people outside the law of the land.

For this, he should be impeached.
Period.

The first time in history an American president has become a lapdog to some foreign 'poliicos'.. now that is funny!

No, It seems to me that this is very much a US controlled attack on a country under the flag of the UN who merely agreed to impose and uphold a no-fly zone.

Im getting deja vu !

"The Pentagon expects to hand over control of allied military operations in the UN-mandated no-fly zone in the coming days"

BBC news
21st March 2011, 14:02
Tazio

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Of course it doesn't if it is undermined and criticised at every opportunity in certain quarters.

It's interesting to note the contempt that successive US Republican administrations have for the UN, at least at the beginning of their terms (link). Of course they would probably argue that their initially antagonistic approach improved the UN in some way which is why their views changed by the time they left office.

Perhaps the reality is that the UN is an essential forum in times where there are few 'local' issues in the international community. Fortunately from the start the Obama administration has taken a far more positive approach (link).

Around 1971 there started to appear Bumper stickers that reads "US out of UN".I'm not sure which issue it was that started Right-Wingers off on that one (may have something to do with the Shaw of Iran). Over the time between then and now I still see some. I think it has something to do with if opinions with U.S are not consistent with world opinion it has to be useless. There are plenty of "My fellow Americans" that suffer from selective amnesia. I want to make it perfectly clear. The U.S.A. has always gotten there to address issues that need them when the chips are down. However we have this overloaded opinion of ourselves. The good news is that in an era of spontaneous cries for democracy we have a very excellent Secretary of State. Also a president that has cultivated a dialogue with the world community. Unlike the second Gulf war The UN and its member countries were lining up to join us in the implementation of what is referred to as operation Odyssey Dawn. Personally this American is glad to know we have partners when we address these issues, with the full admission that the expense will be parsed, and shared by a very enthusiastic coalition.
21st March 2011, 14:03
ArrowsFA1

Quote:

Originally Posted by markabilly

What makes the US Constitution worth something, is that it was agreed to and should be honored as the supreme law of the land, which Obama completely failed to do when he sent the cruise missiles flying. Instead, he honored the wishes of a few drooling foreign politicos over at the UN, in direct violation of the consitution, and in so doing, killed people outside the law of the land.

For this, he should be impeached.
Period.

Truman bypassed Congress to go to war in Korea, as did Johnson and Nixon in Vietnam. There are more than two hundred instances in which presidents have sent armed forces into hostile situations to protect US lives and property without a declaration of war being made by Congress

The 1973 War Powers Act gives a President 90 days after introducing troops into hostilities to obtain congressional approval of that action.

The UN charter was ratified by the Senate in 1945, and as such the president is bound by its terms.
21st March 2011, 15:03
BDunnell

I'm afraid I'm finding some of the contributions to this thread from our friends on the American right to be nothing short of bonkers.
21st March 2011, 15:44
markabilly

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Truman bypassed Congress to go to war in Korea, as did Johnson and Nixon in Vietnam. There are more than two hundred instances in which presidents have sent armed forces into hostile situations to protect US lives and property without a declaration of war being made by Congress

The 1973 War Powers Act gives a President 90 days after introducing troops into hostilities to obtain congressional approval of that action.

The UN charter was ratified by the Senate in 1945, and as such the president is bound by its terms.

You mean John F Kennedy. Truman tried to call it a "police action"

In any event the war powers resolution is very specific. It requires (1) an emergency (ie no time to talk before taking action) AND (2)that the territory and persons of the USA be attacked.

Neither are present. The fact that other presidents may have violated the constitution, does not excuse the behavior, nor more than arguing that other people got away with murder, so why not me?

The UN can only authorize taking action; it can not require any military action of attacking another country as something ordered by the UN.

Dunnel?? you still sitting on your butt?? How come you are not leading the charge, shooting and being shot at, to save them Lybians from themselves???????
Armchair warriors........ :rolleyes:

Maybe the USA needs to get some payback on england for the war of 1812. Or do we got to ask the UN before we can do that or go to the bathroom.....
21st March 2011, 15:52
markabilly

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Alcatraz

What's the over under line on how much longer Moammar Kadafi will last until his reign of terror is destroyed.
I give him 34 hrs as of 8:20 PDT.

What sayeth thee.

The image below is of the British expeditionary force surrendering to combined French and Colonial Forces Near Yorktown.

Lord Howe was too humiliated (I mean ill) to have the stones to hand his sword over to General Washington.
Instead he hands it off to a subordinate with instructions to present it to General Rochambeau :bigcry:

http://www.solarnavigator.net/histor...cornwallis.jpg

:s ailor: Winning

DARN!!! you should not have posted this picture. Now those Englanders will be wanting to get some payback and send some cruise missiles up the ole Potamac.....
21st March 2011, 15:53
Daniel

Quote:

Originally Posted by markabilly

DARN!!! you should not have posted this picture. Now those Englanders will be wanting to get some payback and send some cruise missiles up the ole Potamac.....

Why do you Canadians not know the difference between England and Great Britain?
21st March 2011, 16:03
markabilly

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel

Why do you Canadians not know the difference between England and Great Britain?

cause I am color blind.
21st March 2011, 16:16
Tazio

Quote:

Originally Posted by BDunnell

I'm afraid I'm finding some of the contributions to this thread from our friends on the American right to be nothing short of bonkers.

It is much worse in the big picture. I have a hard time understanding them. It is hysterical to me that Brits have embraced what Sarkosy(whatever his motives or agenda is )has done. Brits are indoctrinated to have a general hatred of the French. A lot of countries do, but only Italy can claim to have one as legitimate as the Brits. I don't think that club bonkers have any clue how ignorant and simplistic their positions are, if you scroll back a few pages you can see documentation of how I refused to acquiesce to all posters some British, but mostly Americans that somehow diplomacy works and it works even better than some people want to admit, or think they have the time for.
21st March 2011, 16:20
Tazio

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Originally Posted by markabilly

DARN!!! you should not have posted this picture. Now those Englanders will be wanting to get some payback and send some cruise missiles up the ole Potamac.....

Actually it was in response to one that I thought (although funny) needed to be balanced out!
21st March 2011, 16:21
ArrowsFA1

Quote:

Originally Posted by markabilly

The fact that other presidents may have violated the constitution, does not excuse the behavior...

And yet I suspect if Obama had waited and sought the approval of Congress you may well have been calling for his impeachment on the basis of hesitation :p :

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