What is the point of that?! Bloody ridiculous!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
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What is the point of that?! Bloody ridiculous!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Is the S2000 1.6 Turbo the category that prodrive calls Super Production for the MINI?
As there are two options from Prodrive
MINI WRC
MINI Super Production = S2000 1.6 Turbo ?
Yes
Dani's contract is up at citroen and he will be Mini's #1?
http://translate.google.com/translat...-con-mini-3162
Can you get through to Prodrive's site, because I can't? Radio silence before breaking in the news...?
the site won't open for me either
Prodrive will homologate a Mini S2000 to race before de WRC?
What if Meeke or the brazillian guy wins a WRC round in their S2000 spec Mini? Can this happen?!?!
Meeke won't start with S2000 spec. but WRC. Oliveira with S2000 only in first few events than also with WRC upgrade. But anyway it may happen that S2000 car wins WRC event but the probability is very low.Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
When is the SP and the WRC Mini ready for competition, and will they be homologated at the same time ?
...would be the first time since the 2wd Xsara, a car of a lower class, won a WRC event... I was thinking about such a possibility even for Sweden already - just imagine: heavy snow conditions, the Finns with problems with their all-new WRC Fiestas and French drivers just outpaced by...hmm...let's say local P.G.A. in a Fabia S2000?!? Theoretically can happen!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I don't think that it can happen with current N/A S2000. The difference in speed to new WRC will be too big but with 1.6T S2000 it may be very small if rules stay like they are in the moment.
You will excuse me, but since the beginning i have doubts in believe that the SP will be a S2000 with a 1.6T engine...
And i still have all the doubts!
The future is WRC and WRC SP... there's no room to S2000.
The WRC SP is a downgraded WRC, the homologation come form the WRC, not from a new S2000.
How can we have a Mini S2000? :eek:
The new wrc cars are based on the S2000. The biggest diference is the 1600 turbo engine and the new S2000 models must be homologated with the same engine capacity, for example, the new Mini and the future Skoda that is already on development work.Quote:
Originally Posted by JAM
The Super Production cars, are the new S2000.
A S2000 is a 2 litre engine car.Quote:
Originally Posted by RICARDO75
Why call S2000 to a 1.6l engine car? There will be no Mini S2000.
Today someone talked to me about this, and told me that everybody is wrong... and is someone that you know :D
I don't know if they will be called S2000 but the new homologations for this cars will be the with 1600cc engine.
I think the "Super Production" was mentioned on the Prodrive website and not on FIA
Sordo confirmed.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/88814
Has there been info what are the six or so events Prodrive Mini will do? Starting with Sardegna, but then onwards...?Quote:
Originally Posted by Josti
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Originally Posted by JAM
I have to tell You that actually You are wrong. The thing is a bit confusing (more than just a bit :) ).
What Prodrive calls SuperProduction in PR materials of Mini is in fact S2000 1.6T (official FIA name for this class - see 2011 FIA App.J or Regional championships rules).
That's what comes to names, now about machinery. S2000 1.6T (or SP if You like) is practically same car is S2000 2.0 N/A except engine and it's devices (like intercooler). Even transmission is same (just new gear ratios).
And now to make it even more confusing we have WRC cars which are almost same too. They only have new aero and brake package and different engine flywheel. But otherwise these cars are same (at least their rules are exactly same - again see 2011 App.J).
So we have 3 different cars which are more or less S2000 - 2.0 N/A S2000, 1.6T S2000 and WRC.
Can You understand that now? :)
PS Sorry for not answering Your PM. I decided to answer here so that other confused people can see that too.
That´s what I understood also, and in a another topic I talked about all the confusion of new classes that is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
How can we expect the media and public to understand the sport, when we, the very much rallyidiots not understand the rules?? :confused: :confused:
Mirek, I compered the brakes of Fiesta S2000 (N/A 2.000) and DS3 1.6T WRC and they are the same size. So if press material is wrong or is wrong the whole PR about diferences between ordinary S2000 and new WRC. They are different only between SP and WRC or they are the same size? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
My opinion about Superproduction: WTF? :arrows:
To keep things clear on the forum, we should talk of:
S20000 for the old, pre 1.1.2011 cars
WRCars for the 2011 WRCars
and SP for the 1.6t S2000's homologated from 1.1.2011
the SP is a WRCar wolf disguised as a S2000 sheep :)
so far, only 2 man have plans with SP cars: Daniel Oliviere with the Mini Countryman SP in the Portugal Rally, and Nasser Al Attiyah with a Mini Countryman SP winning back his MERC title. It could be a Fiesta SP if Ford is ready in time, but only a SP will stand for Al Attiyah in 2011 MERC.
Unfortunately exact differences in brake kit are not part of App.J. They are written in homologation regulations which are not available to public. But for sure there are more ways to differ brake than just disc diameter (like other dimensions, water cooling etc.).Quote:
Originally Posted by modri dirkac
By the article in GP Week, WRC cars have water-cooled brakes.
http://mag.gpweek.com/?iid=41840 (page 46)
My doubt, and not only a doubt from me is:Quote:
Originally Posted by alleskids
Why everybody is calling the new cars as S2000? It's wrong.
Why a S2000 car is called S2000? Because it has a 2000cc engine.
Why call S2000 to a new car when it was born as a WRC and has a 1.6T engine? Can't understand.
This is simple.
We have:
WRC cars
SP Cars
S2000 cars
and S2000 with 1.6T engine cars
It's simple :D
But "SP cars" and "S2000 with 1.6 T engine cars" are the sameQuote:
Originally Posted by JAM
Maybe the new class should be called Turbo 1600 or T1600 for short.
Concise and simple for any spectator to understand and comprehend. Super Production is vague, especially on a car that is nothing remotely like a production model.
Just blame the FIA for al that stupid names! :p
Even we the rally fans will not understand which type of car we see on the stages! :s mokin:
ehh its a prodrive wrc thread and you guys are talking away of the mark!! can we get back to the wrc?
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Originally Posted by manta400
When wrc.com says that Daniel Oliveira will run a Mini Countryman with S2000 spec on the rally of Portugal, this discussion is usefull.
What Mini will be that?
JAM did you forget that FIA says that after 1/1/2011 you can only homologate s2000 with 1.6 t engine..That is it,that is the Mini, why you are so worried that the new s2000 with 1.6T are called s2000,that does not matter...
Prodrive have spoke about creating a R3T Mini Cooper S.
They will work on the MINI WRC first though. Does anyone know the deal with BMW and Prodrive? Will BMW go rallying it alone after a few years?
No, i don't remember that.Quote:
Originally Posted by polo10
I remember FIA said that after 1/1/2011 no more S2000 would be homologated.
After that, only WRC 1.6T would be homologated, and the WRC would have a downgraded version called "super production SP".
No, JAM.Quote:
Originally Posted by JAM
After 1/1/2011 no more S2000 would be homologated with 2000cc engine. Must be with 1600cc turbo engine.
Skoda is working on the Fabia with the new engine and they don't have a wrc version to downgraded.
If Ford will homologate a new Fiesta S2000 with the new 1600 turbo engine, they will switch the engine and will not make a downgrade version from the Fiesta WRC. There´s many diferent things in both cars.
Mini built a Countryman WRC and also is buiding an S2000 with a 1600 turbo engine. It's two diferent cars.
FIA talks about S2000 no matter if it’s with 2000 cc NA engine or 1.6T engine.Quote:
Originally Posted by JAM
WMSC press release 11.12.2009
“From 2011, S2000 cars (1.6L turbo and 2.0L normally aspirated) and Group N cars will be eligible for the WRC and all FIA Regional Rally Championships. In addition, from 2011, all new homologations of S2000 cars must be fitted with a 1.6L turbo engine.”
http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre...sc_111209.aspx
Jam you are "teimoso"Quote:
Originally Posted by JAM
http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.ns ... 30/$FILE/Règl.%20WRC&Annexes%202011.pdf
Ponto 4.6
No, the WRC and S2000 (SP) version are identical cars except that the WRC has bigger rear wing, different front bumper, uprated front brakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by RICARDO75
“The MINI Countryman World Rally Car is also built to the new FIA 201 regulations and is the same as the Super Production, but building on this comprehensive package with the addition of the WRC kit, which includes:
an optimised aerodynamic pack – rear wing and front bumper - as well as uprated front brakes.”
http://www.motoringfile.com/wp-conte...es-package.pdf
So, there you are. No major differneces between WRC and S2000. So that could mean we see more DS3: s and Fiestas S2000 built by satellite-teams?Quote:
Originally Posted by OldF
May be identical but they are still different. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by OldF
You have two hot identical blonde sisters, but one has biggest boobs. They are identical but diferent
I think there are also some people that don't WANT to understand the situation, it is explained many different times by many different people and still people don't WANT to understand. It is not THAT difficult in my opinion. :D