Funny, because to me it seems that you're the one who supports the segregation in Israel and think that only a "bunch of white boys" should be allowed to live there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
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Funny, because to me it seems that you're the one who supports the segregation in Israel and think that only a "bunch of white boys" should be allowed to live there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
The muslims are white boys too, so they can live there if they stop murdering people,or letting there rulers murder people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
Yes, they can live there as second class citizens like the colored boys in the deep South of the USA in the segregation days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
That is it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
It is official.
You are a Racists, idiot.
You are Borat and I claim my £5Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
You are a racists! Jagshemash!
http://www.phillyist.com/attachments...rsz_borat2.jpg
Chenquieh.
Do you have a problem with the existance of Jordan? or Iran? or Saudi Arabia? or Pakistan?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
And if that's the case, just why do you advocate the existance of Palestine as a sovereign state?
He has no problem with dictators, thugs and villians, because he wastes no time condemning THEIR actions while going to great length's to attacking leaders of Western states because they are not of his political stripe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
Rollo, you know his answer as well as I do.....he will ignore the reality and keep on his little tirade. IT is the reason I have ignored this thread for about the last week....
Silence !!!! I Kill you :D :D
No, because they have formed naturally mostly by natives and have not "imported" people based on religion. And they are nation states, not Islamic nations. Their nationality is Pakistani, etc and not Muslim. They don't let in just any Muslim, just because he/she is a Muslim. The State Church of Finland is Lutheran and about 80% of Finns are Lutheran and the President of Finland is the head of the Lutheran church even while she's not a member of that church, but Finland is not a Lutheran nation. We don't let in just any Lutheran and our passports don't say our nationality is Lutheran.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
For example, a very peculiar detail about Israel is while for example in the US the President has to be native born, in Israel seven of the nine Presidents have been foreign born:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ents_of_Israel
The influx of Jewish immigrants in Israel has been so fast that you could almost talk about an invasion.
Palestinians are natives there (except those who are refugees and should be let to return).Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
Do you honestly think that the "Islamic Republic of Iran" or the "Islamic Republic of Pakistan", or maybe the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan who claim to be decended from prophet Muhammad's daughter, Fatimah, or perhaps the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia who have the Shahada (There is no god other than Allah and Muhammad is his messenger) written on their flag, are not Islamic States?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
How much bloody more open do you want them to be about it?
And as for your other comment, places like Mecca and Medina will in fact keep you OUT if you are not a Muslim.
Of course, the rest of the Arabic states kicked them OUT, once the nation state of Israel was formed. Where else do you expect them to go?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
And the point of this is what? To prove that democracy works?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
The point is that Elvis is probably dead, because even if he did fake his own death, you'd have to admit that dying whilst on the lav is a pretty difficult thing to fake. At some point you'd run out of newspaper to read.
It proves it doesn't work. They imported voters from abroad who in turn voted an imported President into power. It's a clever way to do an invasion. If enough Americans emigrated to Iraq and got the voting right, they could vote George W Bush for the President of Iraq. Furthermore, many Israelis have a dual citizenship, for example Israeli and the US citizenships. They can vote both in Israel and in the US, and improve the odds that the US remains on the Israeli side.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
How about the US? They seem to love them. And Russia, Poland, the US, etc. didn't kick them out, they left on their own initiative. And Jews from the Arabic countries are a small fraction of all Jews in Israel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
A lot of countries gave jews up to the nazis for slaughter (Finland did as well). Why should I trust those countries with my life if I know that at the moment of truth I won't be defended?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
No thanks I'll stay here and help all jews who want to come settle in.
I understand from this that you think taking land controlled by other nations for very long periods of time and then changing their name artificial. Correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
I also understand you think using a language which is not commonplace in an official manner "artificial like Dr Frankenstein resurrecting his monster".
Not wanting to sound anti-semitic but you need to look at why the Jews were singled out by Hitler for that treatment. Nothing ever justifies what happened of course but that's a moot point when millions are dead.
On a similar not 9/11 and 7/7 can't be justified but the reasons for those attacks are clear as day.
Almost two thirds is a "small fraction"? What then is a big fraction?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
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Originally Posted by Rollo
Of course, Dachau, Belsen and Babi Yar were holiday fun camps, weren't they? Kristallnacht was a nightclub?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
Untermensch - yeah, totally justified.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
I never said it was justified at all ffs.
Dual citizenship is quite common in many countries. There are thousands of Cdns. with dual citizenships from many countries.
I actually hold dual citizenship although I consider myself Cdn. and have no interest in living in the other country. I haven't even been their since 75 and that was a racing business trip.
Could be, but many of them don't even vote in their country of residence, let alone in the other country. I've read that Israelis of American origin are very motivated to vote and do vote both in Israel and in the US. The US aids Israel both economically and militarily, so living in Israel and voting in the US is like granting aid to yourself. Anyway, the countries are irrelevant. I think it's wrong that some can vote in two countries and some can not. I think that when you take a new citizenship, you should lose your old. It used to be like that in Finland. When a Finn took a citizenship of another country, he/she lost his/her Finnish citizenship. Recently also Finland has offered a possibility of a dual citizenship and even an opportunity for former Finns to get back their citizenship.Quote:
Originally Posted by Easy Drifter
It is amazing how a thread about muslims attacking journalists and artists has turned into a Israel has no right to exist.
Hatred for the Jews, is so great, muslims can murder whom ever they choose but by some asinine logic, it always gets back to Jew bashing.
One of the advantages of israeli/australian dual nationality is that it makes it much easier for mossad to commit murder.......
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...24/2907598.htm
In fact you said "nothing ever justifies (it)" I understand your point exactly,Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
especially in regard to 9/11.
None are as blind as those who will not see.
BTW I condemn the attacks of 9/11, and 7/7.
Eki, does your answer to this go simething like this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rani
"yes, but only if the land is Israel and the language is hebrew"?
This was funny:Quote:
Originally Posted by Camelopard
There wasn't actual proof that there were Hezbollah fighters in the base of international military observer base in Lebanon, but it didn't stop Israel from hitting it and killing four international military observers. There also wasn't actual proof that there were Hamas fighters in the maternity clinic in Gaza built by the Finnish Lutheran Church, but it didn't stop Israel from destroying it. There also isn't actual proof that Iran and North Korea are developing nuclear weapons, but it doesn't stop other countries from putting sanctions on them.Quote:
Deputy Opposition Leader Julie Bishop says the Government has over-reacted.
"There is no actual proof that the Israeli government was involved - there is an assumption," she said.
No, but you just said that Hebrew is the only language that has been resurrected. I said that even Vatican could give up Latin, which is another dead language, for all I care. I also said there is no need for example to resurrect Old English/Anglo-Saxon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rani
And what becomes to old names, I don't for example think that there's a need to resurrect the Scottish Independence or return it to the Romans and call Scotland Caledonia.
By the same logic, Finland should still be a part of Sweden or Russia (like it was until 1917), doesn't it ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
Your ancestors should have never started using finnish then and should have stuck to using swedish as the formal language. Finnish in the russian times was only used in somewhat rustic circumstances.
If you are a serious person of deeds and not a talker, you should go with your ideology and opinions. I expect you insist on speaking swedish and demand your government to strip Finland of its independance, since no nation which hasn't already received independance deserves a country in modern times. How is Finland different from Israel in that respect.
BTW Israel was ressurected as a jewish country with roots that go back thousands of years, while Finland was only conceived as a finnish country in 1917.
I guess the fact that North Korea has test detonated nuclear weapons is not proof they are developing them.
If Scotland should still be a part of the Roman Empire and called Caledonia. If we go back to biblical times, there should probably be different tribes (Germanic, Baltic, Finnic and Saami) in the area of current Finland and no nation state.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rani
According to the Finnish constitution, Swedish is still a National Language of Finland, just like Finnish. Every Finnish speaker are required to study Swedish at school and every civil servant must have at least basic skills in Swedish. Is Arabic a National Language of Israel or are Israeli civil servants required to speak some Arabic?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rani
http://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/kaannok...en19990731.pdf
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Section 17 - Right to one's language and culture
The national languages of Finland are Finnish and Swedish.
The right of everyone to use his or her own language, either Finnish or Swedish, before courts of law and other authorities, and to receive official documents in that language, shall be guaranteed by an Act. The public
authorities shall provide for the cultural and societal needs of the Finnish-speaking and Swedish-speaking populations of the country on an equal basis.
The Sami, as an indigenous people, as well as the Roma and other groups, have the right to maintain and develop their own language and culture. Provisions on the right of the Sami to use the Sami language before the
authorities are laid down by an Act. The rights of persons using sign language and of persons in need of interpretation or translation aid owing to disability shall be guaranteed by an Act.
We never used Bible or past wrong-doings of others to excuse our existence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rani
If they have, and it wasn't just an equivalent amount of TNT, it only proves they have been developing them, not that they still are. The alleged nuclear detonation was only detected by seismographs outside North Korea. Or maybe they blew up the only nuclear weapon they have ever developed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Easy Drifter
I have not seen another religion in the world cause so many problems...Islam is more trouble than it's worth....a religion that rewards people with virgins if they commit murder in the name of is not worth following imo...but too many stupid people around
I see. So now you are putting a time limit on claims to land. Because Finland is relatively new than it's ok but for nations that are older its not. I thought you were against discrimination or was that except for when it's based on age?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
As usual you're starting to twist your philosophy as dictated by your prejudiced opinions...
That's only because there aren't many idiots who question your existence as there are who question Israel's. Only a matter of chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
BTW I never said jews deserve a country because the bible said so or because of WW2. We deserve it because we lived here, plain and simple. Proof for this goes way beyond the bible.
Finland is 30 years older than Israel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rani
Eki,Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
'NATION' and 'COUNTRY' are not the same word.
ever try banging your head against a brick wall people :)
They haven't created the problems alone. It takes two to tango.Quote:
Originally Posted by harsha
9-11 / 7-7 / 26-11 and untold terrorist attacks were started by ???????
What happened before them?????? What motivated them?????? And don't give me that usual crap about virgins, paradise and spreading Islam.Quote:
Originally Posted by harsha
Churchill had a clue, but Americans made their best to silence him:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward_Churchill
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In January 2005, Churchill's work attracted publicity because of the widespread circulation of a 2001 essay, "On the Justice of Roosting Chickens". In the essay, he claimed that the September 11, 2001 attacks were a natural and unavoidable consequence of what he views as unlawful US policy, and he referred to the "technocratic corps" working in the World Trade Center as "little Eichmanns".[1]
what motivated the terrorists who attacked Mumbai?...you seem to know the inside mind about how a Muslim radical terrorist works , so please enlighten me as to why they feel the need to take lives of innocent people?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
Last time I checked 'Nation' and 'Country' weren't the same word.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
If this isn't the case anymore I take all I posted back. Were the definitions changed lately?
Ask Chuck. He says Palestine doesn't have the right to exist, because it has never been a country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rani
Tell them to take back Jordan. http://www.motorsportforums.com/foru...ongue-anim.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Eki