Will we see any GT cars homologated in 14, or will this class never be 'born' ?
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Will we see any GT cars homologated in 14, or will this class never be 'born' ?
I"m afraid it is a stillborn baby.
With the rules FIA made, it's not interesting for manufacturers. And only manufacturers can homologate a car... I think GT cars are only to be seen in national championships, where the rules are more free. ;)
You are not right, since January 2013 R-GT cars can be homologated by a tuner. It's the only class where manufacturer is not needed.
Do we know any tuners that are in process with a GT car for rally yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Could for instance a BMW 1 or 2 series be turned into a Rally-GT Car?
I have no idea if some tuner works on FIA eligible R-GT car but otherwise there are plenty of privately built GTs under national regulations in France, Spain, Belgium or Germany.
BMW 1er is eligible to be rebuild into almost any rally car as it is normal touring car with two rows of seats.
In the Monte Carlo Entry List (http://www.acm.mc/documents/4/LISTE%20D ... IORITE.pdf), there is Marc Duez (Belgium, Number 50) in a Porsche in class RGT listed. Anybody knows anything about this?
According to specialstages.be (http://specialstages.be/2013/12/21/porsche-monte-carlo/), Duez will be driving a Porsche Cayman. They also say, that the FIA Teechnical Passport that is necessary for an R-GT car will be valid for 2 years for that chassis number. So there is a chance the we can see future appearances of him and/or his car.
Do the same R-GT regulations also apply for the ERC?
Yes, the rules saying that R-GT car can be given FIA technical passport without manufacturer homologation apply for all FIA events since the start of 2013.
Seems my earlier source was not correct. Duez will drive the PORSCHE 996 GT RS owned by Carlo Mylle in Monte, if FIA Pasport is accepted.
Article in the German Rallye Magazin about Duez and his Porsche:
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/wm ... index.html
He is hoping for nice snow, as it should be for a Monte, although he knows that he has better chances on dry roads.
He doesn't give a prediction, just wants to enjoy it. But if it is a success, he might do more rallies, e.g. Rallye Deutschland.
Edit: there is also a photo gallery from the shakedown in Belgium: http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/wm ... index.html
I'm surprised that's the old 996.
He will have fun for sure :DQuote:
Originally Posted by wildboar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCpyNXpMRRM
I found this article (in Swedish) which suggest that Richard Tuthill is going to start Rally Sweden in a Porsche 997 GT3. Now how cool would that be? :-)
http://www.emotorsport.se/nyheter.php?i ... ts_id=8633
Is that possible? I mean which tyres is he going to use on those big rims? Stock winter ones? There are no small gravel brakes for GTs so You can not put small rims on...
Good question... will be interesting to see. In any case he is listed in the latest official entry list as #80:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
http://www.rallysweden.com/wp-content/u ... t-2014.pdf
It's quite crazy idea to be honest but on the other hand few years back Matthias Kahle managed to do a gravel event in a Porsche 911 GT3 (Lausitz Rally in Germany). He drove on stock winter tyres and it wasn't that slow...
Mirek, you probably thinks Lausitz Rallye 2008
http://www.ewrc-results.com/driver_info ... allye-2008
Sounds like a good fun
I remember Tuthill entered with a Porsche the Swedish Rally... 2010? I think it was the first year of the R-GT regulations, but I could be mistaking. He didn't start back then though. I hope this time he'll do it :)
In 2010 only homologated R-GT cars were possible. The only ever R-GT homologation was the Lotus Exige in summer 2012 (which has only completed two stages of the 2012 Rally Madeira driven by Sousa Bernardo and then was never seen again). So it was impossible in February 2010 to start with a GT car.Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
Only since this year is it possible to obtain a FIA Technical Passport for a GT car for rallying. And seems to have caused some interest, with Duez starting in a Porsche in Monte Carlo and now Tuthill in Sweden.
Tuthill entered Sweden in 2011 but decided not to start
http://www.rallysweden.com/en/2011/01/k ... ly-sweden/
Yes, exactly. In that time it was impossible to start with a car without homologation.
yes, thanks for the correction :)Quote:
Originally Posted by AGA
Duez retired on the first stage...
I think that information was wrong. He is listed with +22 minutes for stage 1 and more importantly, he appears in the splits for SS2. Given the very bad time, he probably had an accident but managed to limp through the stage. Hopefully he can continue to service and then show in the afternoon or tomorrow, what the potential of the RGT is.Quote:
Originally Posted by dupanton
Duez completed SS2, losing almost 3 minutes.
That's true. Sousa went off the road on SS3 after some problems with electronics. Sousa and his Lotus took part in some ERC rallies in 2012 as zero car, but unfortunately Rali Vinho da Madeira was the only event were Sousa appeared as a regular competitor. Comments, photos, videos and other details about it can be found here:Quote:
Originally Posted by wildboar
http://www.lotuscars.com/gb/racing/r-gt-rally
That is a shame that this interesting car disappeared from the rally scene :(
Does anybody know how many cars are homologated in R-GT class now? I guess Duez's Porsche must be homologated, but I can't find it here:
http://www.fia.com/sport/homologation
Jarek, go back through this thread. Like Mirek wrote, since previous year there is new system for R-GT cars. And there were no existing RGT homologation before 2013, also Lotus was starting only on exception.
In the interview before the rally Marc Duez said that if he finishes Monte in the last position, he will go to Sahara and stick his head in the sand. Now, he is 54th out of 55 competitors after SS3 :)
The Lotus Exige has been homologated on 1 July 2012 (you can find it here: http://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/ ... %C3%A9.doc)Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
The new "Technical Pass" regulations for RGT are valid since this year.
Duez and his Porsche in the 37th position on SS4, 14 seconds behind Martin Rada and his Alfa Romeo 147 ;)
Overal Duez still in the penultimate position.
Does anybody have any videos?
Duez and his Porsche also complete the last stage of the day. Not a great day, losing a lot of time on every stage, between 9.62 (SS6) and 13.10 (SS3) seconds per kilometer (not counting SS1, where there must have been an incident).
http://www.ewrc-results.com/driver_info ... Carlo-2014
But most importantly, they are still there and can try again tomorrow.
Rada and his Alfa already out:
http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2 ... fea5a0.jpg
but Duez and his Porsche still in action :)
http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2 ... df86d6.jpg
Very good time von Duez and his Porsche today: on SS7 he is classifed as 24th, better than many RC3 cars.
Very good time? And what will you say after SS8? Duez and his Porsche in the 19th position on the 8th stage! :)
Yes, I saw that! :) Very pleased to see that the R-GT is competitve. On SS8 there was only one RC3 ahead of Duez. And these are still very wet and icy conditions. Will be great to see some R-GTs in Germany or on some tarmac ERC rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
If the Belgian 997's could get that homologation, there will be for sure in Ypres some of them there! Much better than driving Ypres in a "GT Rally" with only 3 cars or less.