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2nd July 2009, 06:32
Shalafi

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Originally Posted by ioan

Depends if they are fans of Ferrari or of a certain driver. :rolleyes:

They cant be both?!
2nd July 2009, 09:03
CNR

Rossi Quashes Ferrari 2011 Rumours

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/357...-2011-rumours/

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With Ferrari President Luca di Montezemolo recently hinting the Scuderia may consider the possibility of fielding another car in future championships,

Felipe Massa Kimi Räikkönen Fernando Alonso 2011 ?
2nd July 2009, 09:23
ioan

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Originally Posted by Shalafi

They cant be both?!

Sure they can, but they don't have to.
2nd July 2009, 10:57
555-04Q2

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Originally Posted by Shalafi

Ferrari fan that consistently moan and bash latest Ferrari WDC. So not a true fan.

A true fan of the team, not the driver(s). I will always support the team no matter which idiot(s) drive for them. Criticising a driver has nothing to do with criticising the team. Its pretty easy to understand really.
2nd July 2009, 19:08
jens

Oh, what a nice discussion, who is a "real" Ferrari fan and who is not. I may add one more example here - I was an emotional 'real' fan 10 years ago, apparently not now. :p :

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Originally Posted by ioan

In fact Kimi has a 3 years contract (2007-2009) with an option for one more year.
It's up to him to decide if he stays or if he goes.

Maybe if Ferrari through FIAT will give him the possibility to run a full WRC season next year he will decide to leave F1, who knows.

This could be a very interesting case if Ferrari can find a way, how instead of sacking KR (and hence paying his 2010 salary in advance), they can send to him to another series. Actually makes sense to me if Kimi prefers this solution as well. :)
4th July 2009, 11:27
jas123f1

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Originally Posted by ioan

A bit rich coming from someone who's rather a Kimi fan than a Ferrari fan, someone who's been bashing Ferrari day and night before a certain Finn came on board. :rolleyes:

:) So you are "a better" Ferrari fan?

I become as Ferrari fan because of Kimi made a contract with Ferrari and of course like him more that Massa – but I don’t dislike Felipe either.

But you are in reality more Massa fan, than Kimi fan and like THEREFORE to disqualify Kimi fans as not “really Ferrari fans” - because of that…

Do you really think that’s what "really Ferrari fans" are supposed to do?
4th July 2009, 11:35

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Originally Posted by jens

I may add one more example here - I was an emotional 'real' fan 10 years ago, apparently not now. :p :

Well, that would make you a heretic.

St. Thomas (II-II:11:1) defines heresy: "a species of infidelity in men who, having professed the faith of Ferrari, corrupt its dogmas"

Burn him!!!!!!!!!
4th July 2009, 11:49

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Originally Posted by tamburello

St. Thomas (II-II:11:1) defines heresy: "a species of infidelity in men who, having professed the faith of Ferrari, corrupt its dogmas"

OK, so it doesn't say 'Ferrari', it says 'Christ'....but these a mere minor legal definitions that shouldn't prevent a good old fashioned burning.
4th July 2009, 11:51

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Originally Posted by jas123f1

:) So you are "a better" Ferrari fan?

I become as Ferrari fan because of Kimi made a contract with Ferrari and of course like him more that Massa – but I don’t dislike Felipe either.

But you are in reality more Massa fan, than Kimi fan and like THEREFORE to disqualify Kimi fans as not “really Ferrari fans” - because of that…

Do you really think that’s what "really Ferrari fans" are supposed to do?

The very fact that you became a fan because of a driver shows that you do not qualify as a true Tifosi.

Thou shalt not worship false gods.
4th July 2009, 11:58
ioan

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Originally Posted by jas123f1

:) So you are "a better" Ferrari fan?

I become as Ferrari fan because of Kimi made a contract with Ferrari and of course like him more that Massa – but I don’t dislike Felipe either.

But you are in reality more Massa fan, than Kimi fan and like THEREFORE to disqualify Kimi fans as not “really Ferrari fans” - because of that…

Do you really think that’s what "really Ferrari fans" are supposed to do?

I'm a Ferrari fan. always been, no matter who drove for them.
You're a Kimi fan and you would sh!t on Ferrari if he wasn't driving for them.

See the difference?! :rolleyes:
4th July 2009, 14:18
markabilly

no need argue anymore about massa v kimi v whoever....

According to Das Bild, the new Germany.....Heute Deutschland, morgen die Welt....opps

sorry the new set of Drivers for Ferrari is now to be none other than Alsono and...and...and Vettel!!!

http://www.bild.de/BILD/sport/motors...u-ferrari.html

Is that the new Ioan dream team or.....................

and those four grid girls are to drive me.......[insert sicko fantansy here, as something will not let me post the words]
4th July 2009, 14:48
markabilly

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Originally Posted by markabilly

and those four grid girls are to drive me.......[insert sicko fantansy here, as something will not let me post the words]

From Pino:
http://img.printfection.com/9/2519169/GIOPY.jpg

http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:...2203/z3KmH.jpg
already trying to flex his powers, spoil all the fun
4th July 2009, 15:51
Hawkmoon

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Well, that would make you a heretic.

St. Thomas (II-II:11:1) defines heresy: "a species of infidelity in men who, having professed the faith of Ferrari, corrupt its dogmas"

Burn him!!!!!!!!!

I hereby uphold Inquisitor Tamburello's accusation of heresy and sentence the accused to death by fire. In this way his soul may be cleansed and he will become true Tifosi in the afterlife. Brother Ioan if you would be so good as to get the matches......

:hot:

(We need more "firey" smilies. This one looks like he farted to close to an open flame.)
4th July 2009, 16:51
ioan

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Originally Posted by Hawkmoon

I hereby uphold Inquisitor Tamburello's accusation of heresy and sentence the accused to death by fire. In this way his soul may be cleansed and he will become true Tifosi in the afterlife. Brother Ioan if you would be so good as to get the matches......

:hot:

(We need more "firey" smilies. This one looks like he farted to close to an open flame.)

I'll add gallon gas if you guys agree! :D
5th July 2009, 19:44
jas123f1

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Originally Posted by ioan

I'm a Ferrari fan. always been, no matter who drove for them.
You're a Kimi fan and you would sh!t on Ferrari if he wasn't driving for them.

See the difference?! :rolleyes:

Yes, that's right Ferrari isn't any religion for me, but as long they are like to day (not like before, when Schumi was no one, two, three and Rubens some where on the fifth place when we speak of drivers position in the team :) - I never want to be that kind of tifosi because I like to keep my own view for the motorsport and there is no place for things like that..

But so far Ferrari is making a good job Kimi and Massa and keep the sportsmanship in their mind.. and I really think Schumi should stay at home, however things are not going better with him..

I have every GP from last 10 years on the tape, and i know what i’m speaking
…
So, for sure i'm not that kind of tifosi.. :) and i don't like to be qualified to one either .. :)
5th July 2009, 21:13
ioan

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Originally Posted by jas123f1

... and I really think Schumi should stay at home, however things are not going better with him..

Lot of rubbish.
You hate the guy, fine, take your garbage somewhere else, please. This thread isn't for expressing your frustrations over someone who was by far the gratest Ferrari, and F1 driver, up to date.
6th July 2009, 13:58
jens

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Originally Posted by jas123f1

and I really think Schumi should stay at home, however things are not going better with him..

Hey, you have some harsh demands. He wants to have some fun too, not to sit at home all the time! :p :
6th July 2009, 14:19
jas123f1

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Originally Posted by ioan

Lot of rubbish.
You hate the guy, fine, take your garbage somewhere else, please. This thread isn't for expressing your frustrations over someone who was by far the gratest Ferrari, and F1 driver, up to date.

That's only Bu** Sh** -
I newer hate any, but that's right I don't feel any respect for Michael Schumacher as a sportsman - but I can agree that his very god driver - but I can't agree that he is a very god sportsman.. if you can see the difference between thus things ?

It’s rubbish to say that I should hate him for that – no – I don't hate him or respect him – that’s all.. because he use Rubens to his own winnings and no one can honest say to me that he didn’t – not even you - because he did and today are some people waiting that Ferrari would be the same (I think even you). 

I agreed that when one of the driver not have any chance to title – THEN he can ( and should) drive to the team – but not from beginning of season as Schumi wanted it ..

So you can stop to speak rubbish of every one who don't like Schumacher.. he is not a god sportsman .. maybe a businessman but that’s an other story..
6th July 2009, 14:30
ioan

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Originally Posted by jas123f1

That's only Bu** Sh** -
I newer hate any, but that's right I don't feel any respect for Michael Schumacher as a sportsman - but I can agree that his very god driver - but I can't agree that he is a very god sportsman.. if you can see the difference between thus things ?

It’s rubbish to say that I should hate him for that – no – I don't hate him or respect him – that’s all.. because he use Rubens to his own winnings and no one can honest say to me that he didn’t – not even you - because he did and today are some people waiting that Ferrari would be the same (I think even you). 

I agreed that when one of the driver not have any chance to title – THEN he can ( and should) drive to the team – but not from beginning of season as Schumi wanted it ..

So you can stop to speak rubbish of every one who don't like Schumacher.. he is not a god sportsman .. maybe a businessman but that’s an other story..

You're full of hate even if you deny it, you're no Ferrari fan either as you can't seem to grasp anything about what Ferrari stands for.
6th July 2009, 14:32
ioan

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Originally Posted by jens

Hey, you have some harsh demands. He wants to have some fun too, not to sit at home all the time! :p :

The guy's a Kimi fanatic, one of those who were dreaming about how Kimi is the best there is and he would destroy MS, now he can't stand seeing MS while Kimi is losing to Felipe. ;)
6th July 2009, 14:40
jas123f1

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Originally Posted by ioan

You're full of hate even if you deny it, you're no Ferrari fan either as you can't seem to grasp anything about what Ferrari stands for.

As i wrote "You can stop to speak rubbish of every one who don't like Schumacher" .. I wrote is truth and that’s why you rather start to speak rubbish of me..

What Ferrari stands for ? "Schumacher time" was not something to "stands for" - but to day Ferrari team is like the other teams and I hope it's will so..
6th July 2009, 18:56
Tazio

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"Schumacher time" was not something to "stands for"

Mikes time at Ferrari was the stuff that dreams are made of.
His trespasses are overwhelmingly surpassed by his brilliance as a driver, and car developer!
IMO Mike was the best, and his records bear that out! JMHO
6th July 2009, 19:14
ioan

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Originally Posted by Tazio

Mikes time at Ferrari was the stuff that dreams are made of.
His trespasses are overwhelmingly surpassed by his brilliance as a driver, and car developer!
IMO Mike was the best, and his records bear that out! JMHO

And you are right! But I won't hold my breath for the guy above to understand this, ever.
6th July 2009, 21:05
ioan

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Originally Posted by henners88

I think its a bit harsh to accuse a fellow ferrari fan of not being 'true' because they have an opinion that MS was not a good sportsman.

But we aren't accusing any fellow Ferrari fan! ;)
7th July 2009, 09:26

It's pretty obvious that the poster in question didn't support Ferrari when Schumi was driving.

That means he isn't Tifosi.
7th July 2009, 10:47
555-04Q2

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Originally Posted by henners88

You are very right when you say his record qualifies him as the best, but his career was not perfect. He once said he is a totally different person inside the cockpit, and a person he may not always like. I think its a bit harsh to accuse a fellow ferrari fan of not being 'true' because they have an opinion that MS was not a good sportsman. That claim is not unfounded and without reason of course, so this reaction is a little rich.

Ferrari is about nostalgia and history and so much more than MS alone. Some of the greatest drivers in the history of grand prix racing have had the prancing horse on the bonnet, so I think being a Tifosi should be about Ferrari rather than the MS years (1996-2006)...IMO

Chill out guys :s mokin:

MS was not and is not Ferrari. He was merely a freakishly great driver who helped mould the team to the success they achieved while he was there. Ferrari now carries on, MS has retired. The team is bigger than the drivers.
7th July 2009, 10:59
555-04Q2

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Originally Posted by henners88

Fair enough point, but what do 'Ferrari F1 fans' interprit by the term Tifosi?
Is it the same as in football, cycling etc etc?

Is it seen as some sort of religion, following, cult or what?

Put plainly, a true Tifosi will support Ferrari no matter who drivers for the team. You can have 2 d!cks in the drivers seats, but the team is still sacred. I still support Ferrari to the hilt, even though currently they have a driver who doesnt meet my approval.
7th July 2009, 14:21
DexDexter

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Put plainly, a true Tifosi will support Ferrari no matter who drivers for the team. You can have 2 d!cks in the drivers seats, but the team is still sacred. I still support Ferrari to the hilt, even though currently they have a driver who doesnt meet my approval.

Talking about Tifosis, how many Tifosis are there in Italy? Could some of our Italian posters shed light on the matter. We foreigners hear that Italy is Ferrari mad and full of Tifosis... Well I was in Italy in 2008 and watched a race in a bar and people didn't seem to care that much about F1, the overwhelming majority in the bar I was didn't bother to watch the two Ferraris leading. And when Massa won the race there were no vespas going around with Italian/Ferrari flags. When Italy won a football game, things were quite different.
7th July 2009, 14:55
ioan

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

Talking about Tifosis, how many Tifosis are there in Italy?

Probably more than the population of Finland! :D
7th July 2009, 15:27
DexDexter

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Originally Posted by ioan

Probably more than the population of Finland! :D

Yep, no doubt but I'm just interested in how big F1/Ferrari really is in Italy. Based on what I saw, F1 is a bigger thing here in Finland than it is in Italy.
7th July 2009, 18:15
BTCC2

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

Yep, no doubt but I'm just interested in how big F1/Ferrari really is in Italy. Based on what I saw, F1 is a bigger thing here in Finland than it is in Italy.

I was lucky enough to be in Italy in I think it was 2002 when Michael Schumacher won in the Ferrari at Imola and the streets were full of people driving round with Ferrari flags hanging out of the car and people jumping around in the streets.
7th July 2009, 19:04
Tazio

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Put plainly, a true Tifosi will support Ferrari no matter who drivers for the team. You can have 2 d!cks in the drivers seats, but the team is still sacred. I still support Ferrari to the hilt, even though currently they have a driver who doesnt meet my approval.

As I have stated numerous times on this Forum I will pull for any driver Ferrari trots out there.

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Originally Posted by henners

You are very right when you say his record qualifies him as the best, but his career was not perfect. He once said he is a totally different person inside the cockpit, and a person he may not always like. I think its a bit harsh to accuse a fellow ferrari fan of not being 'true' because they have an opinion that MS was not a good sportsman. That claim is not unfounded and without reason of course, so this reaction is a little rich.

Ferrari is about nostalgia and history and so much more than MS alone. Some of the greatest drivers in the history of grand prix racing have had the prancing horse on the bonnet, so I think being a Tifosi should be about Ferrari rather than the MS years (1996-2006)...IMO

Chill out guys

I joined this conversation a little late so perhaps I spoke out of place I'm 55 I'm aware of Ferrari and their storied past. Seen a lot of the greats drive for them including Jean Alesi, Alain Prost, Niki Lauda, Gerhard Berger,
Nigel Mansell, Gilles Villeneuve, Jody Scheckter and Jacky Ickx, with vague memories of Hill and Surtees, just to mention a few.

But my comment was in support of Ioan's in the context of the current crop of Ferrari drivers. You could make negative comments about the sportsmanship of a few of the others I listed. The point is Ferrari fans don't really give a shi+.
We prefer results.

BTW Why did you suggest while quoting my post the need to chill.
I don't believe I was the least bit agitated :confused:
Peace my man!
7th July 2009, 21:54
Tazio

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Originally Posted by henners88

I wasn't necessarily telling you to chill Tazio, its just the way all these threads seem to end up once a debate kicks in. Someone has a difference of opinion often regarding Ferrari and then the chosen few naturally retaliate by bringing Lewis Hamilton into the equation and what a bad boy he is, and those lying Mclaren boys are a load of 'wrong-un's' etc etc.. It all just starts getting stale and boring. I mentioned MS just to simply state that people should look further into the past to get a sense of what Ferrari is all about. You know this only too well being a man of 55 so please don't feel I was suggesting you were foaming at the mouth with anger during the previous posts. ;)

You say Ferrari fans don't give a sh*t well I think on the contrary they are very emotional as a group as they will defend ferrari to the hilt regardless of facts. The passion is obviously there in order for them to be cassed as a Tifosi I would imagine. I'm just a fan btw :)

PS why was Hill mentioned along with all the other ex-Ferrari drivers?

I hear what you’re saying that's why I stay out of these threads after they start morphing (which they inevitably do) ;)
As to my “give a $hit” reference;
I was simply overstating that Ferrari Fans are apt to overlook “alleged cheating” and other innuendo, if the end result is a championship!
I’ll never knock Patrese or Williams for the help he gave Mansell!

BTW I was referring to Phil Hill ;)
8th July 2009, 06:22
pino

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

Talking about Tifosis, how many Tifosis are there in Italy? Could some of our Italian posters shed light on the matter. We foreigners hear that Italy is Ferrari mad and full of Tifosis... Well I was in Italy in 2008 and watched a race in a bar and people didn't seem to care that much about F1, the overwhelming majority in the bar I was didn't bother to watch the two Ferraris leading. And when Massa won the race there were no vespas going around with Italian/Ferrari flags. When Italy won a football game, things were quite different.

First of all most italian are watching F1 at home, not in a Bar or Pub. Then F1 fans in Italy are acting a bit different than crazy football fans. Also considering that Ferrari have won a lot in the past 10 years, their fans are used to see them on top podium, and they don't get too excited anymore :p :

As for how many "Tifosi" lives in Italy, I can't answer that but the average TV spectators for a F1 GP at the moment is about 9 mill, and I believe that 95% of them are Ferrari Fans. So I don't think that F1 in Finland is bigger than in Italy, but if you still not sure about it...visit Monza for the Italian GP then ;)
8th July 2009, 06:30
pino

btw Tifosi means Fans and if you're referring to 1 fan so it's 1 tifoso...so I am a tifoso ;)
8th July 2009, 07:18
DexDexter

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Originally Posted by pino

btw Tifosi means Fans and if you're referring to 1 fan so it's 1 tifoso...so I am a tifoso ;)

Thanks for the info.
8th July 2009, 07:40
Dzeidzei

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Originally Posted by ioan

You're full of hate even if you deny it, you're no Ferrari fan either as you can't seem to grasp anything about what Ferrari stands for.

This thread is becoming both hilarious and sad. I thought -as you guys seem to claim- that a true tifoso love´s Ferrari no matter who´s driving. So in theory a fan could dislike MS just as you dislike Kimi. And that´s perfectly fine. Just dont get so damn hypocrite about it. Very few people here have opinions as colored and biased as you. And even that´s fine. It does make reading the forum more fun, believe me.

Id never call myself a tifoso. Ive always cheered for the Finnish drivers and their teams at the time. But I do like Ferrari and know their meaning to the sport. I did cheer for the team before and just loved Alesi in red. But I never liked MS. He´s without a doubt the greatest F1 driver ever, but a lot about him and the way he competed is disgraceful. Still he lifted Ferrari to glory and needs huge credit for that.

And most of all, its only sport. Good fun on Sundays at its best. Lately mainly sad political bullsiht.
8th July 2009, 09:06
pino

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Originally Posted by Dzeidzei

This thread is becoming both hilarious and sad. I thought -as you guys seem to claim- that a true tifoso love´s Ferrari no matter who´s driving. So in theory a fan could dislike MS just as you dislike Kimi. And that´s perfectly fine. Just dont get so damn hypocrite about it. Very few people here have opinions as colored and biased as you. And even that´s fine. It does make reading the forum more fun, believe me.

Id never call myself a tifoso. Ive always cheered for the Finnish drivers and their teams at the time. But I do like Ferrari and know their meaning to the sport. I did cheer for the team before and just loved Alesi in red. But I never liked MS. He´s without a doubt the greatest F1 driver ever, but a lot about him and the way he competed is disgraceful. Still he lifted Ferrari to glory and needs huge credit for that.

And most of all, its only sport. Good fun on Sundays at its best. Lately mainly sad political bullsiht.

Great post that I almost agree with :up:
8th July 2009, 10:30
ioan

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Originally Posted by Dzeidzei

This thread is becoming both hilarious and sad. I thought -as you guys seem to claim- that a true tifoso love´s Ferrari no matter who´s driving. So in theory a fan could dislike MS just as you dislike Kimi.

I don't dislike Kimi, however I strongly believe that he should do better in that Ferrari he drives.

From this up to posting BS like jas did about MS there is a long way, and he has a history of hateful posts towards MS.

The problem of the Kimi fans, as I see it, is that as soon as someone dares to question his performance you get very touchy and start to be personal with the poster even if he never ever did insult you or Kimi for that matter.
If you guys manage to take criticism the way Kimi can do it than I think we will get along well, if you continue feeling like you were Kimi's family members and need to shoot anyone who criticizes him, that I'm afraid that this place will never be a place you will like.
8th July 2009, 15:32
ioan

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Originally Posted by henners88

I think you may have missunderstood what was said here because you are virtually repeating what Dzeidzei is saying but on a different side.. Kimi fans may get touchy when their driver is being criticised but the same can be said for MS fans like yourself.

The difference being that so called Ferrari fans accuse MS of some dreamed up never verified things while all we say about Kimi is that he isn't performing well enough.

Tell me why is anyone getting stroppy when you say their fave driver is slow and that is true?!

How does that compare with saying MS should stay home because jasxyz doesn't like him?

Spot the difference?

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