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29th June 2009, 16:05
Barreis

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Originally Posted by MJW

Malcolm has always had those he doesnt want to see in Ford cars, going back to the Gwyndaf days, when he chose Stephen Finlay as his team mate in te hMichelin Pilot Escort Cosworth. Also Kris is an ex-employee of MSport as as CAD engineer.

That was the DAYS!!! 1993. RAC, Malcolm in Escort from his own workshop and Gwyndaf in group N car (school bus driver xd).. :)
29th June 2009, 16:09
Lousada

If I was Malcolm Wilson I'd fire the weakest link of the team: Malcolm Wilson.
29th June 2009, 16:10
MJW

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Originally Posted by Barreis

That was the DAYS!!! 1993. RAC, Malcolm in Escort from his own workshop and Gwyndaf in group N car (school bus driver xd).. :)

Yes Malcolm didnt want Gwyndaf in the Group A example!!!!
29th June 2009, 17:09
Buzz Lightyear

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Originally Posted by J4MIE

Meeke will not have a drive for Ford as long as Wilson is making the choices.... according to what I have heard :(

Well..... I think you have hit the nail on the head. I think the problem is the management and the decision of selection of drivers thereafter.

So Solberg will never drive a Ford, even though it would be for the better of Ford Word Rally Team to secure the Manufactureres Title.

And now Meeke will never drive a Ford, for a UK team, with UK sponsors, and the fastest driver in UK

Oh yes, Colin McRae was the other one that would never drive a Ford again.

I can see the common the denominator here... and its not the drivers.
29th June 2009, 17:40
Allyc85

Just got back from Glastobury, not knowing anything about the rally and im gob smacked that once again Latvala has cocked up AGAIN!!
29th June 2009, 17:45
Barreis

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Originally Posted by MJW

Yes Malcolm didnt want Gwyndaf in the Group A example!!!!

Didn't care about that (Shall red Gwyndaf escort).. I saw that coverage so many times that remember words about second Wilson's (Michelin pilot) car: THE CAR IS NOW EX.. xd That was time when I loved rally so much.. Now I love it 'cos guy who started without money is five times champ in the raw.. Thanks GOD!!! That's positive about this sport!! :)
29th June 2009, 20:17
AndyRAC

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Originally Posted by Allyc85

Just got back from Glastobury, not knowing anything about the rally and im gob smacked that once again Latvala has cocked up AGAIN!!

Well what was it like, especially The Boss??
30th June 2009, 08:39
Gard

If MW wants top points, he have to get Bosse or Petter. If he axcept higher risk, my tip is PG or Mikkelsen. Henning may also be an option, if he gets more testing.
30th June 2009, 09:01
noel157

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Originally Posted by J4MIE

Meeke will not have a drive for Ford as long as Wilson is making the choices.... according to what I have heard :(

Jamie, although I think Meeke's rallying future is secure for the next couple of seasons what's the story regarding Ford and Wilson?
30th June 2009, 10:11
A.F.F.

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Originally Posted by Gard

If MW wants top points, he have to get Bosse or Petter.

With all due respect but when do you guys believe that it's not the point of Malcom wanting to have Marcus but Marcus not wanting to come back.

Interesting quick interview of Risto Mannisenmäki who spoke in behalf of Matti Rantanen. I think they have a seat in Ford in plans... Latvala's seat. :)
30th June 2009, 11:46
Gard

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Originally Posted by A.F.F.

With all due respect but when do you guys believe that it's not the point of Malcom wanting to have Marcus but Marcus not wanting to come back.

Interesting quick interview of Risto Mannisenmäki who spoke in behalf of Matti Rantanen. I think they have a seat in Ford in plans... Latvala's seat. :)

No one has said so(at least not me) I was reffering to the only two that CAN take point away from Citroen M1. And don't fool yourself AF, It's all about the money, even for Bosse.
30th June 2009, 14:53
A.F.F.

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Originally Posted by Gard

And don't fool yourself AF, It's all about the money, even for Bosse.

For part of the calendar, yes, I agree.
30th June 2009, 15:32
Rallyper

Yes, JML had done some bad things among all the latest was the absolute worst one. BUT still he´s the current only one who is capable to drive faster than Loeb (except of course Mikko) in NORF.

There´s one doubt and that´s of course if he can manage to the end of the rally, but you have to belive he´d learned to be focused all the way by now.

So yes, MW is doing the only thing he can do, and that´s letting JML stay in Ford WRC team.

But intersting would be PG in a Stobart... :p :
30th June 2009, 16:06
Fide

According this article (sorry it is in Spanish)

http://www.as.com/motor/articulo/ral...asdaimot_6/Tes

Ford is in conversations with Sordo for next year and Wilson will try with Gronholm for some rallies this year (after Finland where JML has been confirmed).
30th June 2009, 17:50
Barreis

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Originally Posted by Fide

According this article (sorry it is in Spanish)

http://www.as.com/motor/articulo/ral...asdaimot_6/Tes

Ford is in conversations with Sordo for next year and Wilson will try with Gronholm for some rallies this year (after Finland where JML has been confirmed).

This's something like a GIVEEEEE MEEEE ALLLL YOUUUU GOTTTTT from current driver (JML) or drive for free (Malcolm W.: hahahhahaahahahaha).. XD
1st July 2009, 05:37
zerodegreec

I cant see Petter driving for MW... I think it would last 1/2 a rally and either Petter would tell the press that MW is a moron and or MW would pull the plug. I cant see those two personalities working together (especially since Petter has started his own team)

I like JML and enjoy watching him throw the car around, the truth is that it appears that he has to push to his limit far more than Sordo, Miko and of course Loeb. JML is good...But does not seem to be able to keep the pace AND keep get the car back to service.

I dont think Henning has the talent to drive as a #2 with BP Ford. (dont get me wrong, Henning is by far my favorite driver, I love his attitude)

Fact is that Ford is destined to play second fiddle for at least the next few years regardless if Ford signs Sordo. Citroen has been doing a great job of securing the future tallent with the Jr team. Unless Ford takes a page from the Citroen book, they will struggle for the foreseeable futrue.
1st July 2009, 07:30
tmx

Not too surprising, Hirvonen did the same thing in Killeri when he drove for Subaru, he didn't win any rallies that year. Then Subaru dropped him, they may have regretted it later.

I just love seeing Malcom getting all pissed everytime Latvala crashes.
1st July 2009, 09:48
COD

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Originally Posted by A.F.F.

Interesting quick interview of Risto Mannisenmäki who spoke in behalf of Matti Rantanen. I think they have a seat in Ford in plans... Latvala's seat. :)

Well, with all due respect I hardly see Ford (or anyone else for that matter) hiring a driver who only has experience from his home round of WRC.

Even Ketomaa has more chances if he does well in the Subaru, he at least did PRWC last year
1st July 2009, 10:00
Zeakiwi

lateral thinking

What driver talent searches are being conducted in the UAE. Surely there is an Abu Dhabi taxi driver quicker than the current 3rd team car A D driver and nominate him for the point scoring.
The paint and panel people at M-Sport must love JML, surely with all the overtime they need to put in to straighten his cars, they can now afford to send their children to better schools.
1st July 2009, 10:17
A.F.F.

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Originally Posted by COD

Well, with all due respect I hardly see Ford (or anyone else for that matter) hiring a driver who only has experience from his home round of WRC.

Even Ketomaa has more chances if he does well in the Subaru, he at least did PRWC last year

Yes, I know. I said they have Ford seat in their eyes, not the other way around. :)

But, Rantanen driving for Munchi must be some sort of reward from last and also some sort of audition for the future don't you think?
1st July 2009, 11:28
vino_93

A.F.F., what about Mattias Therman ? I don't know this driver :confused:
1st July 2009, 12:17
Rallyper

I don´t think JML needs to be worried about his future in Ford. As long as he´s doing fast times and keeps Loeb and Sordo behind (which he is well capable of if his mind don´t play him down) he will still be a works Ford driver.

He just needs longer time to mature.

And if you guys were in MW clothes you´d never let him go toany other team...
1st July 2009, 12:26
Gard

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

I don´t think JML needs to be worried about his future in Ford. As long as he´s doing fast times and keeps Loeb and Sordo behind (which he is well capable of if his mind don´t play him down) he will still be a works Ford driver.

He just needs longer time to mature.

And if you guys were in MW clothes you´d never let him go toany other team...

think we all egree on that. As long as Stobart and Munchi exists, there is no problem
1st July 2009, 13:21
A.F.F.

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Originally Posted by vino_93

A.F.F., what about Mattias Therman ? I don't know this driver :confused:

Me neither. In fact, I've never heard of him. Zes from NORF-thread wrote this....

Mattias Therman is

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Originally Posted by Zes

Another rich kid from Finland. His family used to own finnish brewery Hartwall before selling it to Scottish&Newcastle few years ago.
1st July 2009, 14:56
jonkka

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

I don´t think JML needs to be worried about his future in Ford. As long as he´s doing fast times and keeps Loeb and Sordo behind (which he is well capable of if his mind don´t play him down) he will still be a works Ford driver.

I don't think zero points scored by a driver who was initially faster than Citroens is better alternative or worth more than points from fourth (behind Seb, Mikko and Dani) by driver not capable of beating those three but at least coming home every time. At the moment, Henning has scored more points both to himself and to his team than JML this season.

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And if you guys were in MW clothes you´d never let him go toany other team...

This is true.
1st July 2009, 17:33
Rallyper

[quote="jonkka"]I don't think zero points scored by a driver who was initially faster than Citroens is better alternative or worth more than points from fourth (behind Seb, Mikko and Dani) by driver not capable of beating those three but at least coming home every time. At the moment, Henning has scored more points both to himself and to his team than JML this season.

But that´s the way it has been. That´s a big difference. We can´t speculate ever so much about the future of JML, because we don´t know anything about it. One thing we know, he´s a fast guy when he stays on the road.

So no one knows when JML becomes a winner. That can even be from now and on.... :cool:

BTW I really longing for NORF!! :) :)
1st July 2009, 18:35
A.F.F.

I thought Latvala already is a winner. A proven one, hence there's only three other drivers currently driving who have tasted victory champagne.
1st July 2009, 18:46
Barreis

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Originally Posted by A.F.F.

I thought Latvala already is a winner. A proven one, hence there's only three other drivers currently driving who have tasted victory champagne.

I agree.. From 15 rallies he will win one (maybe)..
1st July 2009, 19:50
Rallyper

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Originally Posted by A.F.F.

I thought Latvala already is a winner. A proven one, hence there's only three other drivers currently driving who have tasted victory champagne.

Yeah, for sure he has won two times but a winner to me must be more consistent. That´s what I meant.
1st July 2009, 19:53
A.F.F.

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Originally Posted by Barreis

I agree.. From 15 rallies he will win one (maybe)..

Well, it might take even more than 15 rallyes. First task to convince Malcom that he can even drive 15 rallyes, second task is to do that damn job he was suppose to and then maybe, he'll have a permission to drive for a win.
1st July 2009, 22:42
Sulland

Planning for the future I would have called Mikkelsen if I were Mr Wilson....
2nd July 2009, 00:12
vino_93

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Originally Posted by A.F.F.

Me neither. In fact, I've never heard of him. Zes from NORF-thread wrote this....

Mattias Therman is

Thank you.
I'm disappointed. I expect a young and talented driver, but we have a rich driver ... :(
2nd July 2009, 02:12
Torsen

if i was ford, i'd be interested in petter if i wanted to win the works
2nd July 2009, 09:06
Buzz Lightyear

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Originally Posted by Sulland

Planning for the future I would have called Mikkelsen if I were Mr Wilson....

based on what selection criteria? he is norwegian?
2nd July 2009, 09:19
JFL

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Originally Posted by Buzz Lightyear

based on what selection criteria? he is norwegian?

yeah! Just that!! :D
2nd July 2009, 09:36
Barreis

He's good.. :)
2nd July 2009, 15:31
Rallyper

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Originally Posted by Torsen

if i was ford, i'd be interested in petter if i wanted to win the works

It´s an avesome situation being a worksdriver as JML. But also it´s hard to stay there. The pressure increases and you must deliver, that´s true.

But as some guys on this forum mentioned it also needs money to be where JML is today. And of course you should be fast. Look at young Novikov. Fast but never a whole rally. But he too will mature and will become WC one day.

So now when JML not delivered in Poland everyone has their own favourite homeland drivers they think should replace JML. So did I too (PG)

I think that´s one of the reasons we even have this forum about JML´s future. However a replacement is never gonna happen after Poland because now we will see a JML just doing what he should and we are gonna see him as world champion in just a couple of years.
2nd July 2009, 15:40
MJW

My predictions is that if JML 'performs to Malcolm's satisfaction in NORF' he will stay, but I have a feeling that Atko could find his way into a Ford, BP, Stobart or Munchis car in / from Australia.
2nd July 2009, 17:07
Allyc85

Atko, hes got a reputation for crashing so would be a poor replacement IMO.
2nd July 2009, 17:10
MJW

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Originally Posted by Allyc85

Atko, hes got a reputation for crashing so would be a poor replacement IMO.

But Chris crashes evil handling Subaru's not a Focus, its just that I have a feeling that CA will be back soon, Oz time.

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