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I'm thinking that we (as a forthright and sober institution) should never misrepresent ourselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
The next logical Gang I mean Club name should be the "Sensible Seventy-Seven".
As of now we are a wee bit short of that distinction. :s mokin:
You have another member.
May I introduce James Delingpole who says:
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Max Mosley's magnificent performance before the Commons Committee yesterday was a shaft of sunlight in an otherwise dark and terrible universe.
Shaft of sunlight - you mean Max uses a light sabre these days? Oh dear, oh dear oh dear, oh dear oh deary me......... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
Max Mosley: greatest living Englishman ???Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
Contrary to popular belief we don't harbor extremists in our rank, and file!
Where oh where is Tamb' when you need him!
I think, judging by “most” the comments (on that link)
that those impassionate about F1 in the UK, appear to be quite sensible. ;)
This is starting to fall into the category of "Life is truly stranger than fiction"
C'est la vie
Magnificent performance is something straightly related to someone's ability performing a job because of possessing enough background, experience, that let him produce efficacious decision reasonably eligible, and altogether is not related to personal life or any other circumstance irrelevant.
You wouldn't be making a moral judgement on who can and cannot support Max now would you? ;) :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Tazio
No I'm not. I'm clarifying our stated purpose!
Max is not the Greatest living Englishman, is he? :confused:
Neither is Mc Cann!
Those who state he is have an agenda that goes beyond the limits of our said stated puspose! :)
As a member of the Sensible Seventeen , I will say that Max does move up in status by suffering these slings and arrows , championing the cause .
He's got a fair way to go before he gets to Lewis Hamilton MBE status , though .
As Mr Justice Eady said:Quote:
Originally Posted by PolePosition_1
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"...it might seem that [Max Mosley]'s behaviour was reckless and almost self-destructive. This does not excuse the intrusion into his privacy but it might be a relevant factor to take into account when assessing causal responsibility for what happened. It could be thought unreasonable to absolve him of all responsibility for placing himself and his family in the predicament in which they now find themselves. It is part and parcel of human dignity that one must take at least some responsibility for one's own actions."
The operative words you quoted from Justice Eady's statement are:Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
"might" (twice)
"almost"
"could" (twice) and finally
"some"
The statement is speculative and weakly opinionated, let alone an actual condemnation.
BTW in case you have forgotten the stated position of The Sensibles
It is in our opinion Max should not have to leave his job over this intrusion into his personal life, and its ramifications.
After a lot of puritanical types, started whining about Max pursuing this egregious and unsolicited intrusion into his life to its logical end,
and were very put off that he wouldn't let it go.
I brought to the attention of this forum that it just might be a rather noble pursuit by him.
That is a personal opinion I can't speak for the rest of our consortium,
as that was not until recently revealed, it and was a stated belief of the group.
In closing I want to reiterate we never claimed Max was a hero,
a champion, or a role model, and certainly not the greatest living Englishman!
The statement forms a part of Mr Justice Eady's final judgement in the case of Max Mosley v News Group Newspapers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tazio
IMHO the last sentence is clear, and I think contradicts PolePosition_1's opinion on the issue of responsibility, which was the reason for posting it.
Allright I'll play!Quote:
The statement forms a part of Mr Justice Eady's final judgement in the case of Max Mosley v News Group Newspapers.
IMHO the last sentence is clear, and I think contradicts PolePosition_1's opinion on the issue of responsibility, which was the reason for posting it.
What is the definition of "some resposibility"
As far as I'm concerened. He could have already acheived that.
For instance He may have told his wife. Hey it's a bummer that you had to hear from these Crumb-bums that I was getting spanked on a regular basis.
Remember when you refused to spank my hinder 40 years ago. Well I found someone who would. I hope you understand. Then wifey says "yes Max You could have come to me and we could have sorted it out without you having to do the Princess Dy dash all over Europe. I understand honey. I'm just very embarrased about the way that filth had to drag your dick through the dirt!"
The point is we should never know what, and how people reconcile their intimate transgressions!
Would it have been irresponsible to have not gone to great lengths for 45 years to keep this secret ?
"This does not escuse the intrusion into his privacy..." should be the line that rings truest .
There is no ambiguity there .
The "but" he includes is saying that , if he wasn't doing it , he couldn't have been photographed doing it . That's just stupid .
It is much like saying a girl should be raped for the clothes she dares to wear .
He was a target because he is high profile , and he is suggesting that it was a plot .
Again, I think it is totally inappropriate that such a comparison with Max's case should be made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
So , you don't like my example , but make no comment on the gist of my statement .Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
Regardless of what Max did , is it not an assault on his privacy to have photographed him in secret ?
What if his wife was there ?
Would that have made a difference ?
What if he was in "black-face" Al Jolson make-up , re-enacting the way slaves were beaten ?
We are beyond what happened now .
What's important now is to catch those Max believes are responsible , and change things so that nobody needs worry about hidden bra-cams becoming the norm .
Yes it was, as I have said a number of times before now. Max won his case against the NoTW.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
Sorry, but I am yet to be convinced about this so-called "plot" Max talks about. Perhaps that has something to do with him being capable of deceiving those closest to him and so being capable of spinning the odd yarn or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
If Max wants to take up a new job to restrict press freedom then good luck to him. I don't happen to think that is within the remit of the FIA President.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
I agree, but I don't think you should punish those for errors in their way. And then we have the debate as to what we class as integrity.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Integrity is associated with cultural beliefs, which one is right and which one is wrong?
And I'm a firm believer of a secular state.
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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
I agree their personal life can be a reflection of their work ethics. But I don't think you should actually judge someone and punish them pending on their private life. And whether that private life is seen to be 'ok' by society, which is largely influenced by religion, upbringing and the media.
Regarding the rape comparison, its typical to what I'm refering to when talking about society, and what society says is right and wrong, which often has no bearing on legal and illegal.
If a rape victim wants to keep her / his rape private, its their right. If it somehow gets out though, people will talk about it, and its an invasion of their privacy.
This is a perfect example, because it shows when society says the person is a victim, they're entitled to their privacy, but when society sees as what happens as wrong - people argue its the 'victims' fault that their privacy has been invaded.
It highlights the double standards demonstrated on this topic, and where the role of what is seen as 'normal' in today's society places a huge role in peoples views on two different events, with essentially the same principles.
Thank You :) .Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
I'm happy to be a member of this if it means we're all fighting for the end of judgement by tabloid media.
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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
Ok, if your using this as back up, I hope you acknowledge he recieved largest compo claim for this invasion of privacy, a clear indicator that his privacy was indeed invaded.
Without doubt, the last sentence says it all. Of course he must take responsibility as he was involved in it, and willingly involved. But that doesn't mean his privacy was not invaded Arrows.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
Personally I think that whole quote was the judge circuitously saying “I'm not prepared to set a major legal precedent. Because I know how profoundly it will affect the absurdly voyeuristic bloodlust on this Island afforded by the tabloids”!
Make Max PMQuote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009...nie-ecclestone
Max Mosley would have made a better prime minister than Tony Blair, according to Bernie Ecclestone. :confused: :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by tazio
Ahem!!Quote:
Originally Posted by tazio
Another example of an undesirable applicant!
I would suggest to our panel that this candidate just may have an agenda :p :
Interesting read though!
Just to show all my brotha's that the Senseable Seven also have a sense
of humor,
I'm going to place this one in the file labled "Truth is stranger than Fiction"
Mosley emerges from sex scandal as savior :eek:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/motor...78130188_x.htm
Bonus point for best joke :)
With Mosley's mandate as FIA president now drawing to a close, it's clear that opting for a fifth term will be decided
like nearly every other issue that has been dealt with over the past 15 years: On his own terms.
'Do I really care about spending all day long trying to solve other peoples' problems, in effect stop people going bust while allowing them to make money, in return for which I get roundly abused?'
:rotflmao: :laugh: :rotflmao:
OK I'll go firstQuote:
Originally Posted by Tazio
What other "Fringe Bennefits" do you think you deserve?
Best joke goes to USA Today for running a Cialis ad at the top of the page! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tazio
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Originally Posted by Tazio
My file is simply labelled "F1, 2007 to present"