Like not chopping yer hands off for coveting they neighbours wife etc? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
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Like not chopping yer hands off for coveting they neighbours wife etc? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Yeah, something along that line, like the death sentence!Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Obviously a McLaren or Hamilton winning a title would have been good press, however.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
You seem to be forgetting that for their shenanigans McLaren were fined $100 million.
But lets not go into that.
What crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Max stated that the FIA needed him to negotiate the deal purely because he needs to save his own arse at the general assembly tomorrow.
Although having said that, Max should sue NOTW and other persons involved for all they're worth, whoever they are.
This will be the outcome, and don't forget you heard it from me first: Those voting for Max will vote he stays, those against Max will abstain, and Max will remain as President because he will claim he has an almost unanimous support.
Well, then that would go against what some have already seemingly announced as their "no" on Max vote.... :confused: :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
could it be that they are now afraid of loss of position or perhaps, afraid that Max and/or the fia will sue them, :eek: add them in along with his other lawsuits against Brundle and NOTW and all the rest? :rolleyes:
dunno!! I dreamt it last night.
That's crap, and I bet he knows more about the negotiations than you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malllen
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008...ne.motorsportsQuote:
Motorsport's governing body is deeply divided on whether to retain Max Mosley as its president, according to a poll carried out by the Guardian...Having canvassed 100 of the 222 clubs which make up the FIA general assembly, the Guardian can reveal that 37% wanted him to go, 25% were set to vote in his favour, 9% were either undecided or not qualified to take part in the voting procedure and 29% declined to comment
Let's see what members here wants (poll added) ;)
Let's clear this up.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
My view stems from a few of these facts:
- Max and Bernie have pretty much seen eye to eye in relation to the sport since about 1980.
- Bernie wouldn't suddenly whip out a headline that'd do nothing but ultimately harm the sport. Which would harm his finances. This is plain logic.
- Max, who is a politically cunning creature, obviously wants to retain his position as the FIA president. So obviously those claims were based on some degree of political motive.
Do you not think that Bernie (who "declared war" according to you) could simply have been retaliating to claims by Mosley that were incorrect?
Though of course this is all just speculation. None of us here are experts!
How about those choosing neither of them, they can select nothing but to know how much people really care or not about this has the place to mention, being abstain probably including me.
Five voters as of now but no reasoning. They could want Max to go, but probably with different reason, such as it ruins reputation of F1, having five girls all at once is considered greedy, or because didn't share the girls :D
I have no love of Max or Bernie but be very careful what you write, even on a forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Unless you have proof that Bernie was involved, it might cause ramifications for you and the owners of this forum by posting unfounded allergations against "der management"!
What happened to the free speech everyone was protecting when it was about Martin Brundle's columns against Max Mosley :?: ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
I fully agree with this! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Malllen
Max sued Martin.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Free speech is one thing. I agree with free speech and was a little dissapointed with Pino when he tried to curb this subject initially although I understand his reasons. His reasons I would imagine involve people making spurious accusations against some very powerful people in this sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
While we can post opinions on what transpires, it is illegal to make unfounded accusations, is libelous and can lead to you or the forum operators being sued.
Not an arguement but just basic facts. If you carry on, the thread will have to be closed.
Nobody got nervous about having the forum shut down when I mentioned that half-wit has money on Max staying .
Is it only Bernard we should worry about closing the forum down ?
I vote "go". Not really a hard choice, as Max is now utterly incapable of doing the job he's being paid for.Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
However I've got a feeling that he'll survive the real vote :s
I don't think that the role is a paid one although I would imagine that it's a position that can provide significant benefits ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
I think Max will do a Gordon Brown and offer a last ditch compromise similar to what has been proposed. It is a moot point anyway as it is just a vote of confidence and as such, he is not compelled to step down should he lose.
He has said that he will not stand past next October but that is a long time in this game :D
Will he win? Lets look at the members.
26 Africa of which South Africa is only significant
15 in NA of which NA and Canada are only significant
10 in South America where Brazil is only significant
2 in Oceana where NZ and Aus carry weight
36 in Asia where you have the likes of China, Russia and Japan
Then we have Europe which is the real power-base.
The federation members who have made a formal written stance against Max reads like a who’s-who of significant FIA members.
America (AAA and AATA),
Singapore (AAS),
Germany (ADAC),
Finland, (AL),
Canada (CAA),
Brazil (CCB),
Denmark (FDM),
France (FFA),
India (FIAA),
Japan (JAF),
the Netherlands (KNAC),
Sweden (M),
Hungary (MAK),
Israel (MEMSI),
Austria (OEMTC),
Spain (RACC and RACE),
Belgium (TCB)
Switzerland (TCS),
Russia.
There are others that have come out as well from the FIA and many senior members within sport such as Bernie, the Manufacturers etc.
If these people follow through, he doesn't have a hope in hell.
Well if there is a chance for the site administrators to have problems than I agree that the mods erase my posts, cause even if it doesn't look like that I do like this forum!Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
Well, I think it is taken that you are merely re-iterating someone elses comment about the individual in question. Had you been making a statement about said individual actually being a half wit, you might come unstuck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
And I hope you appreciate that I wasn't having a dig at you but was offering some friendly advice.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Forums have fallen foul of the Law courts recently and we all need to be a little guarded in our "enthusiasm". :)
I know you are not always having a dig at me. Sometimes you are even making sense. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
Well , actually , I took a shot at all Scots , intimating they are cheap , and called a knight , half-wit .Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Now , Sir Jackie isn't showing himself as such here , though .
He's got 100 quid on Max staying .
Mind you , he is on the suspect list in the hunt to find who is responsible for the sting .
Betting on the coup not working might look good in the witness box .
Oh, I see now, well done. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
PML :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
Trouble with you Baggy is that one can never tell when you are extracting the urine. :p :
Half-wit was called half-wit for his comments on the FIA conducting a "witch hunt" , which later found the witches for whom they hunted .
He says he doesn't want to sink to Max's level .
That witch hunt gives us some other suspects , perhaps farther up the likely list than Sir Jackie .
Hell , there's probably people on the forum here farther up the list than Sir Jackie , for the venom they spout for Max .
Ah , Knocky , you know I'm always serious .Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
It's Maximus eve , and everyone is getting excited about finding wormy videos under the tree .
I can't wait !
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Originally Posted by Bagwan
More like "The Ides of Max"
You know, I have been mulling over this very aspect. Some here, in their enthusiasm, have come straight out and labeled both Bernie and Max with insults which may sound good in the context of our love of F1, but may in fact be unfounded or difficult to prove at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
Perhaps we all need think carefully before making such unfounded accusations. And I do not exclude myself from such insults either because I have been pretty worked up at some of the (apparently) stupid decisions made at the top.
That's pretty much the big names of national motorsports and road bodies of the world. If they don't want to deal with him, then how is he going to get any work done at all? Get him out of there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
I see CAMS isn't on that list. I think this is yet another decision they would rather not make as usual. They are crap at making the hard choices and have ruined a lot of good motorsport in Australia. Get onto it, CAMS.
Similar over here to MSA, nearly as good as useless. But won't come out and say anything in case the British GP gets axed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monaro Doorslammer
I'm astonished that only 14 votes have been cast on this poll.
Today's the big day. And, sadly, I still think he'l survive. The verdict's due this afternoon.
Yeh they had Colin Osbourne (CAMS president) on RPM a fortnight ago and they asked him about the vote ... I'm pretty sure he gave a non-committal answer about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monaro Doorslammer
More reading material:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67951
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"The problem is, if he stays until 2009, he will run again," Ecclestone said. "I am 100 per cent certain about that; no, one million per cent certain. That's what he said. He says: 'I don't have to do anything. There'll be another election and I can stand if I want.'"
Ecclestone added that there were sections of F1 that wished Mosley to go because it would help the commercial side of the sport.
"It has been difficult for me," Ecclestone explained. "The people I deal with are commercial people, manufacturers, sponsors and teams. They want peace and they want to get on with the business and the sport. Max doesn't care - he's not commercial - he hasn't got one single dollar invested, so he doesn't give a stuff."
The voting system and philosophy in Eurovision is more reliable thatn that of the FIA....Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
.....probably :p :
I think it's more because crisis of trust, today people aren't easily convinced with someone, Max or whoever replace his seat.
In this case Todt might be person with some faithfulness, because he has had Michelle Yeoh :D
Me too :sQuote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
Perhaps not everyone has paid their dues? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
I suspect you're right. One of the most noteable aspects of Max's spell as FIA President has been his ability to secure and retain the power he needs to pursue his agenda.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
Well, we can look on the brighter side: if Max stays, Bernie is screwed. :p :