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Originally Posted by MAX_THRUST
I guess you have been asleep for several years? Or maybe you never read British trash?
I'm so happy Hamilton showed up to show just how big of a fraud the British media is.
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Originally Posted by MAX_THRUST
I guess you have been asleep for several years? Or maybe you never read British trash?
I'm so happy Hamilton showed up to show just how big of a fraud the British media is.
When exactly did the Safety Car deploy? Did it deploy before or after the crane/tractor/whatever-the-hell-it-was got Hamilton hooked up? I can't recall.
If Hamilton was placed back on the track under racing conditions then the marshals put him and themselves in even more danger as they placed him on the outside of a turn that had just become a car park with at least 4 cars spinning there already.
If the safety car was already deployed then Hamilton should not have been put back on the track. With the cars no longer at racing speeds the marshals had time to remove the Mclaren to the other side of the barriers which was the safest place for all concerned.
You can't blame Hamilton for getting the help but I think the rules need to be clarrified and those marshals need to be re-trained.
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Originally Posted by DaveTaylor
I don't know about Scottish Industrial regulations, but when I was an Engineer in the Snowy Mountains Authority in charge of operators and labourers, all front end loaders, including the small Ferguson 3 in 1 front end loader were clasiffied as cranes, and all operators on these machines require a crane operator's licence. They must have a knowledge of all safety regulations and procedures for operating cranes as well as crane operator's signals.
Thus the title of this thread as the JCB was being used as a crane to lift the McLaren.
Now I would ask if the following broke any industrial regulations:
1. Whether lifting the car with the engine running,
2. Whether lifting the car with the driver still in the car,
3. Whether operating the JCB in an area where cars were still coming off the track at speed constituted a dangerous environment. I would add here that a Torro Rosso nearly ran into the crane.
I don't want to get into any discussions as to what the JCB sales bumff maight call this machien, or any other machine; in this instance would you not agree that the JCB was being used as a crane, and thererfore subject to crane operating regulations?
Following from the above, I just wonder whether the FIA should have proper procedures for drivers once their cars are beached in a gravel trap and cannot get out under its own power:
1. Should the driver switch off the engine (in case it catches fire from the heat if he doesn't)
2. Should the driver remove the steering wheel and get out of the car
3. Should the driver follow marshals' explicit instructions to move quickly to a position of safety, such as behind a safety fence.
Well after Hamilton was placed back on the track.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkmoon
Another car actually hit the Crane, in fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkmoon
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Originally Posted by F1MAN2007
I totally agree - why disqualify a driver who got no points anyway? Just to se a DQ on his record? Still, someone needs to look into the rules and get a clarification from the officials. All the F1 websites I've looked at are treating this as a non-issue.
I can't help but wonder if he had gotten craned back to the track and finished higher than FA, how would FA react???? :)
Really??? You weren't reading the same forums I was reading back then!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by MAX_THRUST
In some cases a referee have to make an instant judgment according to his own interpretation against incident which is not explicitly stated as rules of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
The crane gate might not stated on the rules but there is also no statement that it breaks the rules.
In normal accidents most of which only one or two drivers involved, I doubt that they will crane the car up and back again at the race.
There were five drivers in the same gravel in the same lap, I'd rather consider it as unusual thing. Craning the car might be their interpretations in facing this sort of problem never happened in the story of F1.
Why should Hamilton the choice? it was simply because he was the only one in the running engine car. He deserved of credit for his initiative keep inside the car and able to keep the engine running until auxiliaries come.
That's not easy, those in the accident tend to forget their cool-head, clutch off while gears is on will stop the engine automatically.
Every question has its answer because every rose also has its torn :)
Let's just think about how dangerous this really was. The front end loader was being operated as a crane, with a sling lifting the McLaren while cars were running off the track at that precise location. Now had one of the cars run off under the McLaren with the driver's head hitting the bottom of the wing, I am sure the reaction here would have been a lot more negative.
The FIA must surely tighten up their safety regulations regarding drivers who have beached their cars in the gravel traps.
That JCB, for whatever reason, had no right to be where it was until all the cars stopped running past. Does anyone disagree with this point?
He is even accustomed jumping out of helicopter
I am not sure they operated the crane without any warning to drivers remain at the track, the drivers must have been told with either some yellow flag or radio instruction, if safety car wasn't yet deployed.