Alonso and Massa

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23rd July 2007, 23:57
F1MAN2007

let 'us not talk about touching.

10 laps to the end, Alonso was tariling Massa for more than 8 secs and no one could imagine how Alonso can reduce the gap. Even himself he said that in that time he was pleased with 2nd place as long as Lewis and Kimmi were out.

But from 7 lap to the end, Alonso was reducing the gap and Massa was loosing the ground and strugling with the car. This happened before they go in pit line for intermediare tyres. They entered the pit line and the gap was reduced to 4 secs and something. 1 lap and half after the pit, the gap was 1 sec and already Alonso were completly in the rear wing of Massa and it is where they kissed for the first time before Alonso took that spectacular move and passed Massa.

For my point of view, if any driver can reduce the gap from 8 secs to 1 sec even below that, it means the driver in front should give a way and not try to block him by all the means he can. Particuraly when it is clear that the driver behind you is quicker than you.

So Massa was desperate and couldn't imagine what is happening to him and that is why he drove like a rookie. Even the rookie this time are better than him. Like Samuratt said above, I can't understand why in all overtaking done by Alonso so far this season, is only Massa who touched his car for 2 times?
I bet, next time both will be out.

And another thing is that the FIA stay silent in such manoeuvres which are semeed to be allowed. But here I recall Alonso and Heidfeld, Alonso and Lewis in USA and Kubica and Heidfeld in Germany and others.
24th July 2007, 02:15
raphael123

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Originally Posted by ioan

I was happy that Felipe got 8th points rather than none.
Can't say the same about a certain Spaniard who wasn't happy with the 1st place either. :p :

If the guy on the top step of the podium was someone who wasn't happy, I'd be interested to see what he's like when he's happy!

Massa didn't look very happy. He even said 2nd place left him a bitter taste.

So, lets look at it, Alonso was all smiles, jumping with joy, Massa hardly smiled, said he wasn't happy, yet somehow you've managed to come to the conclusion that Felipe was happy and Alonso was unhappy! Talk about tinted red glasses!
24th July 2007, 02:23
raphael123

As for the arguement which followed, it seemed logical to me that Alonso would mention them two touching, which Massa reacted with foul language and aggressive behaviour. How anyone can critizise Alonso for simply mentioning it but not Massa is beyond me.

I didn't see anything wrong in the move in the sence that it was a racing incident, though Massa shouldn't really have banged Alonso's side, and as has been pointed out, twice Alonso has gone to overtake Massa, both times getting alongside MAssa, and twice Massa hasn't given Alonso enough room. The first time it worked as Alonso went onto the grass, the second time he didn't and just damaged his car instead.

My understanding is if you are alongside the other guy, it's to be expected that your rival should give you enough room (a car's width) - so far, both times Massa has simply turned into Alonso, which isn't really correct.

Anyone think differently?
24th July 2007, 04:46
Sergio-Rallymax

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Originally Posted by tinchote

I guess this is typical "Spanish objectivity" when talking about Alonso: the title says "Massa attacked Alonso with very serious insults", and then the article says that Alonso apologized to Massa :mark:

I do not know for that you are surprised, we all know that in Spain the major gutter press is... These of 2003 for behind were thinking that the followers of the F1 were frikies, now the Spanish press they are more fanatical than the own fans.
24th July 2007, 08:30
ioan

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Originally Posted by samuratt

i think that rather to complain, what Alonso was trying to say to massa was: "it doesn't matter if you try to push me out, i will pass!"

Sure, that's why he had to apologize publicly when he realized how stupid he was! :rolleyes:
24th July 2007, 08:34
ioan

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Originally Posted by F1MAN2007

For my point of view, if any driver can reduce the gap from 8 secs to 1 sec even below that, it means the driver in front should give a way and not try to block him by all the means he can. Particuraly when it is clear that the driver behind you is quicker than you.

That's what Alonso did in Imola in 2005? Oh no it isn't! Why didn't he? Because this is watching racing not ballet, that's why! :rolleyes:

I can't even believe you posted such thing in a racing forum! :eek:
24th July 2007, 08:38
ioan

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Originally Posted by raphael123

If the guy on the top step of the podium was someone who wasn't happy, I'd be interested to see what he's like when he's happy!

Massa didn't look very happy. He even said 2nd place left him a bitter taste.

So, lets look at it, Alonso was all smiles, jumping with joy, Massa hardly smiled, said he wasn't happy, yet somehow you've managed to come to the conclusion that Felipe was happy and Alonso was unhappy! Talk about tinted red glasses!

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Originally Posted by raphael123

As for the arguement which followed, it seemed logical to me that Alonso would mention them two touching...

The argument was before the podium ceremony.
And Alonso apologized in the post race press conference for his verbal attack. That means he acknowledged that we was wrong to blame him.
And you talk about tinted glasses?! :rolleyes:
24th July 2007, 09:00
ArrowsFA1

Things are said in the heat of the moment all the time. This time cameras were there to record it, sometimes they're not. Alonso has apologised, Massa has accepted the apology. End of.
24th July 2007, 09:03
janneppi

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Originally Posted by ioan

The argument was before the podium ceremony.
And Alonso apologized in the post race press conference for his verbal attack. That means he acknowledged that we was wrong to blame him.
And you talk about tinted glasses?! :rolleyes:

Alonso was man enough to say sorry, it seems Massa isn't.
and Alonso apologised for the wording, not for the subject, so no admission of wrongly accusing Massa there.
24th July 2007, 09:28
ioan

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Originally Posted by janneppi

Alonso was man enough to say sorry, it seems Massa isn't.
and Alonso apologised for the wording, not for the subject, so no admission of wrongly accusing Massa there.

Are you unhappy that Kimi "BreakemAll" Räikkönen broke another car and Massa didn't?! :p :

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