Where is the UK headed?

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Originally Posted by driveace

Well Mal if you know better that the Mayor of Calais ,who states that she can understand why all the immigrants final destination is the UK.She states the benefits system is a MAGNET ,and that the UK is seen as a SOFT TOUCH !
She lives there ,and surely she knows the French system better than YOU and I !
Bet your not a UKIP or Conservative voter !

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It's amazing isn't it? Maybe I'll quit my job tomorrow as I'll be so much better off on the benefit system and have such a luxurious life.

Don't automatically assume anything Jon !
Don't you read or watch TV !
Fact is that many people claiming benefits also claim for family still living in their mother country !
I talk to people who are unemployed ,who visit benefits offices ,rather than find them work ,they are made aware of more benefits they can claim.
I know a guy who got in touch with the government employment agency ,he had a vacancy for a parts delivery person .
After 10 days nobody turned up for an interview .He rang the employment agency ,to be told ,they had sent 8 people ! Not 1 turned up !The following day a guy turns up .The employed says "Why did you leave your last job"? The reply was " I couldn't stand the foreman,and I smacked him in the mouth" !Did he want employment ?

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Originally Posted by driveace

Well Mal if you know better that the Mayor of Calais ,who states that she can understand why all the immigrants final destination is the UK.She states the benefits system is a MAGNET ,and that the UK is seen as a SOFT TOUCH !
She lives there ,and surely she knows the French system better than YOU and I !
Bet your not a UKIP or Conservative voter !

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My wife is French so I'm quite aware of their benefits system thanks. I've seen what you claim is your pension in the UK, I suggest you look up what you would be receiving in France and not go green with envy. Or unemployment benefits or disability entitlements. What they are entitled to is shocking and unsustainable but that's another topic.

What a surprise that the person advocating most strongly the UKIP position on benefits should display such poor standards of English.

OK guys ,what's the answer to the UKs problems ?
No limits on immigration
Stay in the EU
Pay more to Pensioners and more Money for benefit claimants
Bring back all the coal mining jobs
Cut V.A.T on everything to 10%
Tax the people who earn £100,000 at 60%
Tell me your plans

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

The heart of the problem is people stereotyping all immigrants as work shy benefit scroungers and pinning all the UKs so called 'problems' on foreigners, when the statistics show that EU migrants to the UK are less likely to be unemployed than UK nationals.

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You might want to remember that, while most of the discussion has been about immigrants, I did not specify them. Malbec noted a couple posts above about the total, not just immigrant, benefit problem. Any system that pays to people for sitting around is doomed long term. Despite various reform attempts, we have a similar problem here. Paying even more for people not citizens or not actually in the country is madness.

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Originally Posted by Starter

You might want to remember that, while most of the discussion has been about immigrants, I did not specify them. Malbec noted a couple posts above about the total, not just immigrant, benefit problem. Any system that pays to people for sitting around is doomed long term. Despite various reform attempts, we have a similar problem here. Paying even more for people not citizens or not actually in the country is madness.

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Read Malbec's post again. The apparent 'problem' is about 0.7% of benefit spending. Yes, ideally you want this to be 0% but is this 0.7% going to doom the country? Of course it isn't.

The electorate needs to rethink its priorities.

My original point in starting this thread was to point out that leaving the EU won't solve the majority of the migration 'problem' since the migrants that are most complained about are from outside the EU.

UK, like most countries, should face the truth. Their welfare system is broken. Too many people who don't deserve it have access to welfare. The problem is that politicians have no incentive to do much about it. They go on about immigrants because they are easy targets. Doing what must be done, cutting the benefits for all the leeches that parasitize the system, immigrants or British, can and probably will hurt their political ambitions.

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Originally Posted by Big Ben

UK, like most countries, should face the truth. Their welfare system is broken. Too many people who don't deserve it have access to welfare. The problem is that politicians have no incentive to do much about it. They go on about immigrants because they are easy targets. Doing what must be done, cutting the benefits for all the leeches that parasitize the system, immigrants or British, can and probably will hurt their political ambitions.

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You can't buy votes without handing out money in some form. Maybe at some point the politicians in our countries will wake up and figure out that if the working class can find good enough jobs, then we can fund the welfare that is actually needed, not given for the sake of giving it.

Here in the US there are loopholes in every assistance/welfare system, and they allow for easily screwing the system. That's why so many people do it.