Mercedes drivers told to obey team orders in future

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Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster

Unless you've ever been in a warzone, don't use that word. F1 is a playground for rich kids with a strange sense of entitlement. War is where people get killed. Don't be ridiculous.

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Chill out , man .

I'd prefer any war to be waged on tarmac , rather in in any "war zone" you're talking about .

Take your "ridiculous" to someone else's door .

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

I'd prefer any war to be waged on tarmac , rather in in any "war zone" you're talking about .

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War - by definition means means killing people. I'm sick of people waging that word like it's the most normal word in the world. I've carried a dozen dead friends and quite a few dead and wounded Americans out of the line of fire. in Somalia in the early nineties and it makes me physically sick, when people talk about war, for whom the most distressing experience in life was that the espresso machine was jammed.

We are talking about motorsports here - a couple of spoiled kids, who never had to work for a living, driving cars really fast. What's wrong with words like 'battle' or 'rivalry'. War my ass - you kids never saw war.

lol But how am I supposed to make cappuccinos then?

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

That's right , let them get on with the driving , but leave the decisions on strategy to the team .

They didn't ask him if he was destroying his tires, but they warned that he would if he kept racing Nico .

They could see a one, two , instead of a three, four , and didn't care which driver was ahead .

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A one, two was worse for Lewis than a three, four because it would have extended Nico's lead. These guys are raking in points for the team and their results obviously reflect this. Lewis was put in a position where he had to make the decision to give away or defend a position of getting more points than his team mate. There was no prior agreement to let the other through, they just had their strategies agreed. Both were able to continue to plan, but Nico lost out due to the SC, whereas Lewis benefitted. The team attempted to maximise an advantage they saw for Nico and this would have affected the championship for Lewis.

Team orders are necessary but are rarely popular with one driver or the viewing public. Lewis demonstrated his thirst for the championship and the team need to step up to the plate to give both drivers an equal chance of success and equally reliable cars. I'm not suggesting the team have favoured one over the other but they have two drivers eager for the championship and one has had marginally more mechanical failures than the other. This breeds frustration and the team need to rectify that before it goes out of control. Drivers want to win driver titles first and constructors second. The team have a different view on this maybe, maybe not. Both are worth a lot of money for all parties and the audience only cares for one. The market value also adds to the Mercedes brand, as we we'll know.

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Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster

Unless you've ever been in a warzone, don't use that word. F1 is a playground for rich kids with a strange sense of entitlement. War is where people get killed. Don't be ridiculous.

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By that logic, unless you have ever been in a F1 car, lets not talk about F1 either... 2-seaters do not count :p:

Bagwan just used a common enough phrase in the English language, so you lecturing him on how war is bad (obvious) and how most of us haven't been in an actual war is churlish.

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Originally Posted by Storm

By that logic, unless you have ever been in a F1 car, lets not talk about F1 either... 2-seaters do not count :p:

Bagwan just used a common enough phrase in the English language, so you lecturing him on how war is bad (obvious) and how most of us haven't been in an actual war is churlish.

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Last time I checked, F1 was an entertainment, war certainly is not. I simply object to using the word war in connection with entertainment, because it makes people insensitive to what that three letter word actually means.

F1 is a motorsport competition. It is not entertainment, but some find it entertaining. As for the war bit, I don't have to explain that.

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Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster

War - by definition means means killing people. I'm sick of people waging that word like it's the most normal word in the world. I've carried a dozen dead friends and quite a few dead and wounded Americans out of the line of fire. in Somalia in the early nineties and it makes me physically sick, when people talk about war, for whom the most distressing experience in life was that the espresso machine was jammed.

We are talking about motorsports here - a couple of spoiled kids, who never had to work for a living, driving cars really fast. What's wrong with words like 'battle' or 'rivalry'. War my ass - you kids never saw war.

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You're going off topic for a war of words , and I'm not interested , thanks .

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Originally Posted by henners88

A one, two was worse for Lewis than a three, four because it would have extended Nico's lead. These guys are raking in points for the team and their results obviously reflect this. Lewis was put in a position where he had to make the decision to give away or defend a position of getting more points than his team mate. There was no prior agreement to let the other through, they just had their strategies agreed. Both were able to continue to plan, but Nico lost out due to the SC, whereas Lewis benefitted. The team attempted to maximise an advantage they saw for Nico and this would have affected the championship for Lewis.

Team orders are necessary but are rarely popular with one driver or the viewing public. Lewis demonstrated his thirst for the championship and the team need to step up to the plate to give both drivers an equal chance of success and equally reliable cars. I'm not suggesting the team have favoured one over the other but they have two drivers eager for the championship and one has had marginally more mechanical failures than the other. This breeds frustration and the team need to rectify that before it goes out of control. Drivers want to win driver titles first and constructors second. The team have a different view on this maybe, maybe not. Both are worth a lot of money for all parties and the audience only cares for one. The market value also adds to the Mercedes brand, as we we'll know.

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One thing we seem to disagree on , henners , is that Lewis could have won , had he not held Nico up .
I think he would have had a really good chance to keep Nico behind him at the end .
But , you don't seem to have much faith in that idea .

Double post .