Xbox One vs PS4

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Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden

1. Much better graphics and better framerate because of the new hardware. The new games will run smoother at much higher FPS (frames per second) and clearer (at higher resolutions than they currently do).
2. Better hardware allows game developers to achieve higher levels of photo-realism, so expect much more realistic looking next-gen games.

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I am not so sure about "resolution". PS3/Xbox 360 all claimed 1080p. However 99% of the game were at most 720p. I can't think of a single 1080p game. Even GT5, wasn't 1080p (1280, it was a typical marketing lie.
The hardware won't come close to rendering anything in 4k. We'll be lucky to have everything at native 1920x1080.

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Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden

3. Simulation racing games are so far exclusive to the PC because it requires a lot of processing power to accurately simulate real car physics in a game. With the new consoles bridging the gap somewhat, expect better and probably more realistic car physics and handling in racing games.

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Errr. The CPU will still be worse off than two year old budget Core i3 Sandy Bridge chips. AMD is immensely lagging behind Intel.
As for the GPU performance, it also be on par with a 2 year old mid range chips (close to 560 Ti and 6870).

Of course, you will get slightly better performance than on a PC with these specifications due to optimization. But these technologies were inferior to high end PC component from 2 years ago, how far will they be in 2 more?
At least, the PS3 and Xbox 360 were on par with top technology of when they were released.

Sure there will be improvements, but they will not be game changing revolutionary "photo realism". On par with a mid-to-high end PC of 2 years ago. In a neat little package.

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Originally Posted by Koz

I am not so sure about "resolution". PS3/Xbox 360 all claimed 1080p. However 99% of the game were at most 720p. I can't think of a single 1080p game. Even GT5, wasn't 1080p (1280, it was a typical marketing lie.
The hardware won't come close to rendering anything in 4k. We'll be lucky to have everything at native 1920x1080.

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I don't remember either PS3 or X360 adverts claiming 1080p. IIRC they claimed 720p from the start. I think both PS4 and Xbone should be able to handle initial games at 1080p least, with both of them going into the teraflops region compared to the gigaflops of their predecessors. Of course, in the coming years upcoming games will be optimized so that their hardware continues to be able to 'handle' them.

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Originally Posted by Koz

Errr. The CPU will still be worse off than two year old budget Core i3 Sandy Bridge chips. AMD is immensely lagging behind Intel. As for the GPU performance, it also be on par with a 2 year old mid range chips (close to 560 Ti and 6870).

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The AMD processor on both of them is a wimpy 8 core one, yes, but I think it is slightly better than a Sandy Bridge Core i3. I maybe wrong, but it is more comparable to a Core i7 from the same architecture. Also, they seem to have offloadeded most of the task on the GPU this time and opted to make it more powerful, and so don't need the processor to be that spectacular. Games will be developed accordingly.

Besides, I never said the new consoles will be better or at par with current gaming PCs, did I? I said they're only bridging the gap somewhat compared to their predecessors. PC gaming still reigns supreme as far as quality and outright power goes, and always will, until someone comes up with a monster console, which is highly unlikely for their price range.

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Originally Posted by Koz

Of course, you will get slightly better performance than on a PC with these specifications due to optimization. But these technologies were inferior to high end PC component from 2 years ago, how far will they be in 2 more?

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I think it's no secret that at the price tag of $400, you will not be getting a PC beater in any way, shape or form, even if console fans would like to believe so. And like I said earlier, people have already built far superior monster gaming PCs than these "next-gen" consoles six months before they even release. So, actually only good news for PC gaming fans, because this means their rigs will continue to be able to play games far longer. The annoying thing though is because of the rampant piracy in PC games, almost all developers go first to console, and so many of the games coming to the PC are annoying console ports that are badly optimized. But things have gotten much better in the last two years.

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Originally Posted by Koz

Sure there will be improvements, but they will not be game changing revolutionary "photo realism". On par with a mid-to-high end PC of 2 years ago. In a neat little package.

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Won't be game changing, won't be revolutionary either, but they will definitely be better compared to their predecessors, as I said in my reply to steveaki who wanted to know what will be the main differences between the consoles.

OMG. Trying to make their graphics look better. Microsoft is dropping the ball on this BIG time!

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The Xbox One is fast becoming one of the biggest fails in recent history, might even give Apple "Maps" a run for its money. :p

I hear X Box have done a massive U-turn in respect to their proposed used games policy.

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"We have listened and we have heard loud and clear from your feedback that you want the best of both worlds."

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BBC News - Microsoft U-turn in Xbox One games row

It was always a stupid idea to try and kill the used games market IMO and has contributed to some of the negativity towards the new X box.

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Originally Posted by henners88

It was always a stupid idea to try and kill the used games market IMO and has contributed to some of the negativity towards the new X box.

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It was a stupid idea, but then again it was typical Microsoft business practice. Only difference is that in this day and age, where people are so connected and can quickly gather a lot of like-minded people, they can no longer apply their shady methods from ages past.

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Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden

I think it's no secret that at the price tag of $400, you will not be getting a PC beater in any way, shape or form, even if console fans would like to believe so. And like I said earlier, people have already built far superior monster gaming PCs than these "next-gen" consoles six months before they even release.

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I think consoles provide good enough graphics to satisfy a good chunk of the market. I'm not au fait with the militant console gamers out there and don't occupy gaming forums as I'm only a casual gamer myself. Most of it goes over my head which is probably why console graphics are good enough for me and just about everybody I know who enjoys the odd gaming session. :)

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Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster

It was a stupid idea, but then again it was typical Microsoft business practice. Only difference is that in this day and age, where people are so connected and can quickly gather a lot of like-minded people, they can no longer apply their shady methods from ages past.

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Indeed. You're quite right about this day and age. Social media and the ability to spread opinion online means a voice can quickly gather momentum. Microsoft like many large companies (Apple, Samsung) attempt to use bully boy tactics but its always nice to see the consumer win a battle or two. I'm guessing Sony's policy on not restricting the use of used games, combined with their pricing being undercut meant Microsoft are entering a damage limitation period. Just like the X Box 360, Microsoft appear to have been more keen to beat Sony to the announcement, they've made a few errors in the process. They never quite matched the Playstaion 3 in worldwide sales and this edition hasn't exactly got off to the best of starts.

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Originally Posted by henners88

I think consoles provide good enough graphics to satisfy a good chunk of the market. I'm not au fait with the militant console gamers out there and don't occupy gaming forums as I'm only a casual gamer myself. Most of it goes over my head which is probably why console graphics are good enough for me and just about everybody I know who enjoys the odd gaming session. :)

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Never said consoles aren't good enough. That's why, being a PC gamer, I myself am interested in buying the PS4 as well for its exclusive games and other console exclusives. They are good for the market and the consumer they're intended for. Consoles make sense that way as they're cheaper, hassle free, and get the job done as far as gaming goes. Piracy is low on console titles as well, that's why so many developers rush to consoles first.

If you're not a quality connoisseur or a pixel hound, then it doesn't matter which platform you choose. For example, compare F1 2012 on DirectX 11 on a top end gaming PC with the console version, and prepare for your jaw to drop on the floor. But if that kinda thing doesn't concern you, then the console is perfect for your needs.

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Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden

Never said consoles aren't good enough. That's why, being a PC gamer, I myself am interested in buying the PS4 as well for its exclusive games and other console exclusives. They are good for the market and the consumer they're intended for. Consoles make sense that way as they're cheaper, hassle free, and get the job done as far as gaming goes. Piracy is low on console titles as well, that's why so many developers rush to consoles first.

If you're not a quality connoisseur or a pixel hound, then it doesn't matter which platform you choose. For example, compare F1 2012 on DirectX 11 on a top end gaming PC with the console version, and prepare for your jaw to drop on the floor. But if that kinda thing doesn't concern you, then the console is perfect for your needs.

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It wouldn't concern me, but then again I rarely watch TV in HD even if some of the channels I have enable me to do this. I don't deliberately choose the lower quality image, I just forget I have it and often don't pay too much attention to the difference. I always forget to watch the Grand Prix in HD even though I have BBC 1HD lol. I don't have an awful lot of spare cash at the moment and when I do I tend to spend it on more important things. The PS4 will be a luxury and I doubt I'll get on it very often. I get enough stick now for being on my PS3 and I've only played on it once since April!

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Originally Posted by henners88

I get enough stick now for being on my PS3 and I've only played on it once since April!

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Aw, I feel sorry for you henners. :D But I'm sure you find enjoyment in doing other things.

Anyway, I'm lucky in a way because my wife is a gamer too, and we even spend hours playing co-op games together, recently Portal 2. So, if anything, I get encouraged or asked to do more gaming. Fine by me! :p