Tire wars... do you really just want to see the tires winning or losing, or wouldn't you rather it was more about driver/aero package/engine ? :)
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Tire wars... do you really just want to see the tires winning or losing, or wouldn't you rather it was more about driver/aero package/engine ? :)
Can we ban pit stops altogether and just have a race from start to finish?Quote:
Originally Posted by donKey jote
Pffft come on, man, after what happened in Malaysia it is ridiculous to look for excuses for Massa anymore. He just has to follow Webber into retirement.Quote:
Originally Posted by CNR
Why didn't you post the part of that link that Felipe blames himself for tires that he couldn't control the blistering of, thus not being able to conserve them?Quote:
Originally Posted by CNR
Doesn't that fit into your thinly veiled petty Ferrari bashing?
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"That meant I lost ground to other cars and it was probably down to a problem linked to the track conditions and my driving style.
"All weekend, I haven't felt comfortable with these tyres and in the race, any attempts I made to save them was useless."
Massa believes he would have been in the podium hunt were it not for his pace on the medium tyres
We already have differentQuote:
Originally Posted by donKey jote
Engines
KERS
Chasis
Pit crews
Drivers
Why not tires as well?
By the way, I don't really wish the tire war to be the decisive factor. What I want is to see tire manufacturers try to bring tires that allow the car to complete the race as fast as possible, whether it takes 0 pit stops or 5 pits stops, or anything between.. it's up to them. Instead we see these "show tires", tires that are meant to be an amusing and unpredictable handicap, being used for a second year in a row. Once Pirelli is competing with say Firestone, you know for sure they won't be bringing this joke tire to a race again.
In a tyre-war scenario, what would you do to prevent them being a decisive factor, as they were previously?Quote:
Originally Posted by zako85
One option that comes to mind is something like the current engine rules: regulate the design and construction so heavily that there is no room to gain anything more than a slender advantage. But then that's no different to now - with tyre performance essentially decided by the FIA.
People will always complain no matter what. I'd like those complainers to watch races from 1988, that was exciting! The fastest car would always win and the tires would not represent any kind of a problem. No artificial rule tweaks, just racing and pure excitement! (Two Mclarens a lap in front of everybody). 92 was even better!Quote:
Originally Posted by kfzmeister
88/89 wasn't so bad as there was good competition within McLaren team. As for other examples, you don't need to go all the way back to 92. Enough to see 2011 or some of Schummy's WDC years. So what? There were many years like that and there will be more. That's the way F1 has always been. That's not an excuse to dumb down the sport to the least common denominator using gimmicks such as five laps tires.Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
Donkey: Webbo's RR tyre not running over Vettel...
They were on the limit and if they wasn't it was usually to do with fuel consumption and not tyres.Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
Genuinely felt sorry for Vettel. Even on the primes he was told how to race.Quote:
Originally Posted by kfzmeister
That's not racing.
The driver should decide when to push and not ask the team and be over-ruled.
But we're between a rock and a hard place. If its a boring race then its aero but there's too much overtaking it's joke tyres.
I must say RedBull overall were the donkeys. They underfill Webber's car during qualis, then set up Vettel with a bold but losing strategy. I don't get what was the point of this all. Alonso, Raikkonen, and Hamilton all started from the top 2 rows, and this is pretty much where they ended up finishing, so Vettel's convoluted strategy of saving tires for the race didn't buy him anything at all.