Red Bull Abolish team orders..

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Originally Posted by Koz

Could you post a link please?
This is the only one I could find: Videos - Formel 1 bei Motorsport-Total.com

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http://www.motorsportforums.com/f1/1...ml#post1123261

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Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster

How stupid would they have to be to short fuel his car?

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...you were saying?

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Originally Posted by Whyzars

If Webber is able to get off the line and the team don't short fuel his car we might just see some epic battles between this pair.

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epic battle avoided by short fuelling the car in qualy...
problem solved, no team orders needed ! :p

I've made my opinion on Vettel clear in other threads, however regarding the underfuelling I don't believe in the obvious conspiracy theories for a second. Still, great timing.

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Originally Posted by Vettel

Webber did not deserve fuel

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Originally Posted by ShiftingGears

I've made my opinion on Vettel clear in other threads, however regarding the underfuelling I don't believe in the obvious conspiracy theories for a second. Still, great timing.

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It is astounding how bad someone's luck be.

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Originally Posted by jens

I just want to add one thing. Race is a whole 300+ km long process, which all contribute to the final outcome. Regarding Mark's "deserving" win I have to say that somewhere in mid-race Vettel felt he was held up by Webber.

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I actually think that Vettel used the word deserve to include another aspect.

From Vettel's point of view he is the obvious RBR top driver. He has delivered 3 WDC for the team while Webber has struggled even to finish 2nd in the same seasons. It is Vettel that is therefore most likely to represent RBR's best chance of winning a WDC this season. I don't think he particularly respects Mark because he's been able to beat him year in year out despite a lack of experience, and that is ignoring their various run-ins regarding team orders etc (I'm not taking sides on this issue). He probably felt in Sepang that he was therefore entitled to the victory since Mark would only waste the extra points he would gain if he maintained position later in the season (as he has done in the past). His attitude towards his teammate is probably reinforced by the fact that Vettel does seem to receive extraordinary levels of backing from his team. I doubt he views his teammate as a threat in the same sense he views Alonso or Hamilton and he also doesn't view him as a supporter like Alonso views Massa or Hamilton viewed Button.

Arrogant? Perhaps. Understandable? I think so.

Likewise Webber's attitude towards Vettel with respect to team orders when he stands to benefit (ie Sepang) and when he stands to lose (ie Brazil last year) can be seen to be the actions of someone who feels as if he has been dealt the poorer hand, has his confidence damaged and needs to prove himself against his teammate even if this means going against the team.

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Originally Posted by Mr Alca-Tazizzle

I hear you bro. What about secret team orders. ;)

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You are just a paranoid old fool. I told you you to stop drinking all that uncle billy's kool-aid in Austin, and you did not listen......next think you will be saying that RB might secretly underfuel him in qualifying to send a message to Webber and avoid anymore "issues" in the China GP :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by markabilly

You mean as to who will have a bit more fuel, so the other runs out of gas first???????

Or as brawn said about team orders: that we would look a bit foolish if we let both cars run out of fuel.......

or who gets the better tire strategy??? or why Webber's car does not always have that great start????

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No body would look that fooolish.....

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Originally Posted by henners88

Or the old 'Please don't use your KERS, we think there is a fault' line. Webber has had more than his fair share of these failures in the past or so many of us think ;)

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No, it is just bad luck. This China GP weekend will prove that Webber gets full and equal treatment at all times...

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Originally Posted by Koz

http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...quote_icon.png Originally Posted by VettelWebber did not deserve fuel.

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Best post of the year!! :D :D :D

I will drink to that :beer:

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Originally Posted by ShiftingGears

I've made my opinion on Vettel clear in other threads, however regarding the underfuelling I don't believe in the obvious conspiracy theories for a second. Still, great timing.

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And I never beleived for one second all that silly BS about Flavio Briatore, and those "fix the race allegations". No team manager would ever deliberately wreck out one of his cars "for the good of the team" so another driver on the team could win. No way.

Speaking of Flavio......he said that Horner has no balls. well he should talk....