Homophobia

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Originally Posted by Zico

Fair enough... By 'pro gay' I mean someone who promotes that lifestyle, seriously... you don't ever meet genuinely straight gay activists do you?

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I've never met anybody gay who 'promotes' the gay lifestyle, whatever that means. What, in fact, do you mean? These phrases get thrown around without people stopping to think what they're saying.

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Originally Posted by Zico

I wasn't suggesting anyone stay in any closet.

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In effect, you are, though, aren't you? You would rather your sons were straight rather than gay. If one turns out to be gay, you'd hope it was a 'phase'. It seems to me that you'd be happier if, should one of them be gay, they kept it very much hidden so as to avoid potential bullying. Is this a fair representation?

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Originally Posted by henners88

Its not something most parents would admit to their children either though. Good parents don't try and make their children feel guilty about something out of their control.

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Far better for all concerned if they don't have those feelings at all. To my mind, no parent should care about what their child is in terms of sexuality. Why does it need to enter the equation?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

If I had even the slightest impression that my parents would rather I'd been straight, I wouldn't be happy.

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Even if it was just because they didn't want you to be a target of homophobic people?

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Originally Posted by Zico

Even if it was just because they didn't want you to be a target of homophobic people?

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To me, this is a bit like saying that black people should 'white up' in order not to be the target of racists. You wouldn't argue that, I presume? So, what's the difference?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Far better for all concerned if they don't have those feelings at all. To my mind, no parent should care about what their child is in terms of sexuality. Why does it need to enter the equation?

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I don't think you can help having such emotional feelings but we are all different. We don't have to agree on that particular point but everything else you say and stand for gets my full support. :)

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I've never met anybody gay who 'promotes' the gay lifestyle, whatever that means. What, in fact, do you mean? These phrases get thrown around without people stopping to think what they're saying.

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Well as one of the most active people on this thread telling everyone else what they should or shouldn't feel/think regarding someones sexuality I'd say you are effectively promoting it.. no?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

In effect, you are, though, aren't you? You would rather your sons were straight rather than gay. If one turns out to be gay, you'd hope it was a 'phase'. It seems to me that you'd be happier if, should one of them be gay, they kept it very much hidden so as to avoid potential bullying. Is this a fair representation?

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No, its not, I never mentioned anything anywhere about anyone hiding it. Look, I'm sure most other parents on the thread understand where I'm coming from even if you dont. I'm sorry you don't understand it but rightly or wrongly that's my viewpoint on the subject.

I think what BDunnell is getting at is that we should achieve a full acceptance of homosexuality, and not consider it an inferior state of being at all! Am I right?

If such a thing is achieved, all problems disappear.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

To me, this is a bit like saying that black people should 'white up' in order not to be the target of racists. You wouldn't argue that, I presume? So, what's the difference?

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Sigh.. no, I think there is a fundamental difference. Let me put it to you another way... If my partner was say half caste and our child turned out to be white... would it be so wrong of me to feel slightly relieved to know that they wouldn't be on the receiving end of racist comments? That in no way legitimises racists, can't you see that?

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Originally Posted by EuroTroll

I think what BDunnell is getting at is that we should achieve a full acceptance of homosexuality, and not consider it an inferior state of being at all! Am I right?

If such a thing is achieved, all problems disappear.

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Precisely.

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Originally Posted by Zico

Sigh.. no, I think there is a fundamental difference. Let me put it to you another way... If my partner was say half caste and our child turned out to be white... would it be so wrong of me to feel slightly relieved to know that they wouldn't be on the receiving end of racist comments? That in no way legitimises racists, can't you see that?

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"Heal the world,
Make it a better place
For you and for me,
And the entire human race." ;)

I.e. don't be a coward, dear Zico, and stand up for what you believe in.

PS. See you on the Wor Thread? :D