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If that is true than every TV would be successful. Every Movie would bring in big Box Office and every new product would be successful as long as they market it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 00steven
And we all know that is not true.
I have said it before and I will say it again. No amount of marketing will cure IndyCar's ills. The problem is the product.
I just want to state, that we did have gorgeous cars, that set records like Gil did at Fontana...but there was no one watching on TV or the stands. So, with all due respect, that is not going to solve the problem (s). We did build it and no one came...
The racing last year was quite good, but we had good racing for years in Atlantics, and no one watched.
Watch it, and they might build it, again.
WRONG! Everyone was watching before dumb down cars and irl. Racing with slow cars is not good and numbers prove that. Glad you like that amateur spec club.Quote:
Originally Posted by EagleEye
Which begs the question, got numbers? I have long been in the camp of "top speed does not matter, exciting racing matters". Sure there are limits as to how slow you get before you loose the excitement. But a train of cars circling Indy at 250 MPH is not gonna get folks in the stands or at home interested.Quote:
Originally Posted by FIAT1
Gary
I see , people like those awful looking side pods ,useless air duct , ugly bumpers and they don't care about development,and speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by garyshell
Like what you see? Enjoy it then.
I don't know about Gary, but I do. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by FIAT1
2000 GDF set the close course record in 2000 at Fontana, and I was there and you can see in the video, there was hardly anyone in the stands. I doubt many would argue that the cars then were gorgeous!Quote:
Originally Posted by FIAT1
Quals:
2000 CART Fontana - Gil de Ferran's Closed Course Record - YouTube
Race:
CART 2000 - Fontana Highlights - YouTube
The race was on ESPN, not ABC, and someone can correct me but I recall a .6 rating.
So not everyone was watching. But, there were certainly more then for the race, than we had last year......
We still talk about it after all these years don't we?Quote:
Originally Posted by EagleEye
We do, the few that are left.
But, we were hurting then too, so let's not kid oursleves....
Now show me some CART/Indy 500 races from 1990-1995....and it makes me want to bang my head against the wall. Huge crowds and we were like rock stars! Those, were the best of times times, no doubt.
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Originally Posted by FIAT1
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Originally Posted by garyshell
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Where are the numbers you said prove that speed is required to get folks to watch? You now mvoing to a whole different point, but I'll address it while I wait for your numbers.
I do not necessarily like the looks of the side pods or the bumpers, but I do very much like what they did for the racing last year, namely they brought back some real passing which in my mind is MUCH more important than terminal velocity.
Gary