Jari Ketomaa 2012 season

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Originally Posted by Francis44

Ok but we know we will not have another Gronholm for some years. Despite missing the knowledge Gronholm always tried to go as fast as possible from the beggining and we know what what expense.... a considerable pile of wrecked rally cars.

Plus Marcus had official support from very early in his career, and that must make a difference. I can't imagine what damage a wrecked car can have on a privateer budget.

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well i think in the case of those that rent the cars they do not pat anything if the car goes to waste...insurance companies pay i think...if the car is bought then its anther story.

about gronholm you were right and 10 years back finacially things were far better for the wrc in general.

Ketomaa doesn't have Veronica by his side. :D

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

I was a supporter of many drivers who didn't make it and have no future...Atko, Meeke, Gardemeister, Kresta are some of them...when ketomaa got his chance i liked it but he failed miserably unfortunatelly

Actually i want every driver who tries his luck in the WRC to be able to shine..the more top drivers we have the better...

When you support someone and have hopes doesn't mean you should be blind and not make any negative comments if they deserve them... Ketomaa was sweeping everyone including hanninen in s2000s so my hopes had a basis... Ketomaa is for sure no tourist and if he stays by paying i would have no problems with it.

that is the difference between humans and myself.

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Fair points, but to go from 'he's a potential star' to 'no future' in like 4 rallies is quite drastic. I support Petter, but it doesn't mean he is guarded from criticism - when he crashed in Portugal I was the first to crticise him for being reckless! But if I believe he is still able to win rallies that doesn't change after 4 bad events.

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Originally Posted by Francis44

Plus Marcus had official support from very early in his career, and that must make a difference. I can't imagine what damage a wrecked car can have on a privateer budget.

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Really? Are 100% certain of that?

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Originally Posted by A.F.F.

Really? Are 100% certain of that?

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Im quite sure yes, Marcus didn't set much foot in the WRC without official support, outside of the World Championship I do not know.

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Originally Posted by A.F.F.

Really? Are 100% certain of that?

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well in finland he used his own cars i guess but in portugal 99 he used an official mitsubishi and in 2000 his peugeot days started...

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Originally Posted by Francis44

Im quite sure yes, Marcus didn't set much foot in the WRC without official support, outside of the World Championship I do not know.

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What exactly do you mean by that?

Because before entering to WRC, Marcus gave his farm for rent to finance his rallying career at the age of 29. He didn't have a manager until he got offers from Ford and Peugeot. That was year later and basicly because he set so many fastest stage times in Rally Finland 1998. He got support from Robert Gröndahl who had worked with Toyota but apart from that, he was pretty much with his own gang.

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

well in finland he used his own cars i guess but in portugal 99 he used an official mitsubishi and in 2000 his peugeot days started...

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He already got a contract with Peugeot when he drove Mitsubishi. He also drove one rally for Seat that year and it was all cool with Corrado Provera. He wanted and let Marcus drive those cars so Peugeot could use all the info they got.

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Originally Posted by A.F.F.

What exactly do you mean by that?

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I was just trying to say almost everytime Marcus entered a WRC rally he had official support thus good cars, and was free to push.

Ofcourse before that I trust that he had difficult times and had to try very hard like everyone else eager to reach the top.

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

well in finland he used his own cars i guess but in portugal 99 he used an official mitsubishi and in 2000 his peugeot days started...

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I thought he drove peugeot from 1999.