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15th November 2011, 16:40
gloomyDAY

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Originally Posted by jens

Vettel and his records? Maybe Seb now has the record for the fastest puncture as well? :p : As hard as I'm trying to recall all races I have seen, I just cannot remember anyone ever suffering a puncture like that after a race start, except in contact with another car/barrier.

I know! It's Vettel's fault that Pirelli tires are crap. :rolleyes:

Vettel would have been 3x world champion if they immediately carted him over to RBR from STR in 2008. DC was just a waste of a seat and Webber's criticism in 2007, "It's kids isn't it... kids with not enough experience – they do a good job and then they **** it all up" of Vettel has come back to bite him in the butt.
15th November 2011, 17:33
Knock-on

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

I know! It's Vettel's fault that Pirelli tires are crap. :rolleyes:

Thank GOD the mystery has been solved by GloomyDAY.

Please, please, please let us know why the tyre was at fault when it had previously been fine during qualification as nobody else has a scooby. I don't think even ioan has criticised Pirelli for this failure yet. :rolleyes:
15th November 2011, 17:43
jens

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

Thank GOD the mystery has been solved by GloomyDAY.

Please, please, please let us know why the tyre was at fault when it had previously been fine during qualification as nobody else has a scooby. I don't think even ioan has criticised Pirelli for this failure yet. :rolleyes:

So what else was possibly at fault, if not the tyre? If a racing driver uses a completely usual and ordinary line and suddenly 'kaboom'. I think in the past drivers have been more at fault in their hydraulics, gearbox and engine failures than Vettel in that tyre failure.

The tyre might have been fine in qualifying, but this doesn't really matter. Equipment can give up suddenly without any previous warning. Engines are often at their highest power before blowing up. Mansell was driving very competitive laptimes at Adelaide '86 before puncture.
15th November 2011, 17:46
Knock-on

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Originally Posted by jens

So what else was possibly at fault, if not the tyre? If a racing driver uses a completely usual and ordinary line and suddenly 'kaboom'. I think in the past drivers have been more at fault in their hydraulics, gearbox and engine failures than Vettel in that tyre failure.

http://www.motorsportforums.com/f1/1...tml#post984597

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

It was a very strange failure. Abu Dhabi is a pretty well run event so I think it would be unlikely it was caused by debris although such a catastrophic failure is normally associated with that sort of puncture.

One theory could be that they were running lower than recommended tyre pressures and either Seb didn't get enough heat in during the sighting lap or that he expected a little too much of the tyres before they were up to race temperature. Other causes could be an issue with the seating or a similar issue.

Personally, I would think it less likely that it was a Tyre defect because those tyres had been used in qualifying and checked afterwards. If there was a structural issue, it is likely it would have failed during qualifying when it was under maximum load rather than at the start of the GP.

Lets hope we find out soon.
16th November 2011, 11:17
555-04Q2

Even if Vettel is in the best car by miles, one fact remains to support just how good he has been this year...Webber has not won a single race this year to his double digit haul. That is a telling statistic that reminds me why The Shoe was so good in his heyday. He did the same thing to his teamates.

Vettel is GOOD people, very good!
16th November 2011, 11:43
Ranger

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

I know! It's Vettel's fault that Pirelli tires are crap. :rolleyes:

Pirelli rules out structural damage as reason for Sebastian Vettel's puncture - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com

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Following a detailed examination of the tyre after the crash, which suffered an instantaneous deflation and put Vettel out of the race after he spun and damaged his rear suspension, Pirelli is adamant that the issue was not caused by factors under its control.

Red Bull inflate their tyres outside of Pirelli's recommended limits (as do many other teams apparently). Add the exhaust gases near the wheels and that could be one potential explanation - but who knows.

Pirelli make a convenient scapegoat regardless.

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

Vettel would have been 3x world champion if they immediately carted him over to RBR from STR in 2008.

The 2008 STR was better than the Red Bull car from mid-season onwards.

The fact that Bourdais often qualified near Vettel, ahead of both RBR cars either means that either:

a) Bourdais was also a brilliant F1 driver, better than both Webber and Coulthard
b) The STR car was better than the RBR car.

Vettel's victory in Monza was brilliant but it doesn't give evidence to support pointless speculation.

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DC was just a waste of a seat and Webber's criticism in 2007, "It's kids isn't it... kids with not enough experience – they do a good job and then they **** it all up" of Vettel has come back to bite him in the butt.

Driver suffers food poisoning, vomits in helmet, puts himself in contention to win his first race and then gets punted off under safety car.

Don't you think a heated remark at that point in time should just be left as that?
16th November 2011, 12:48
Knock-on

So, it is looking more likely that RBR may have compromised their driver yet again by running outside recommended safe operating parameters.
16th November 2011, 13:01
CaptainRaiden

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Even if Vettel is in the best car by miles, one fact remains to support just how good he has been this year...Webber has not won a single race this year to his double digit haul. That is a telling statistic that reminds me why The Shoe was so good in his heyday. He did the same thing to his teamates.

Vettel is GOOD people, very good!

I have to agree with that. I am no Vettel fan, but I do appreciate his talents. I'm not the one to believe in conspiracy theories, especially in Formula 1, and I do believe Webber has been thoroughly outclassed by Vettel this year. At the end of the day, the harsh truth that Webber fans have to face is that that car in Webber's hands probably wouldn't have won the championship. The fact remains that Vettel has gotten used to the Pirellis much, much better than Webber has. I believe Webber is still struggling.

Also, Vettel is an amazing qualifier. His qualifying laps are some of the best that I have seen with full commitment and 100% aggression in every corner. His race craft has also improved ten folds compared to last year. He fully deserves this championship.
16th November 2011, 16:31
Dave B

Horner mentioned that after Vettel's tyre failure in Abu Dhabi he joined them on the pitwall. Not for a casual chat, but to thoroughly immerse himself in how the team make strategy decisions and monitor the data flowing to them. He'll have gleaned a valuable insight into the workings of the team which might, one day in the future, be the difference between winning or losing a race.

A lesser driver might have gone for an icecream...
16th November 2011, 19:46
Garry Walker

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Originally Posted by ioan

So did Bourdais finish 2nd and we all missed it?! LOL

LOL!!! You forgot him stalling the car at the start? Did that somehow make Blonde Turd's car slower?

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Originally Posted by ioan

So nowadays 4th is impressive, but being 1st in the very same car doesn't mean that the driver did rise above the level of the machinery? Just asking.

No driver can rise above the level of his machinery, that is just impossible.
If an absolute nobody in rain like bourdais can qualify that car in 4th place, then it had to be a hell of a quick car.

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Originally Posted by jens

I think McLaren was the fastest car on that day, not STR. Hamilton had a botched qualifying, but despite that he would have finished the race at least in P2 if he didn't have to make an extra pitstop due to changing weather and hence unfortunate strategy. Kovalainen drove a steady race and finished second, but his impression on podium said it all. I have rarely seen as miserable second place finisher as he was that day. I think he knew the race was his to win, but was unable to grab the opportunity.

Hamilton was never finishing that race in 2nd place.
So now we are judging the speed of a car by how the driver looks after the race?

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Originally Posted by vhatever

I find it funny that RBR is dominant -- but vettel is the only one who does the dominating, that STR "that year was a monster", but only with vettel driving it -- he had like 3 races he was in a good position to win. And now what happened to the STR "monster" how come not a single race since vettel has the team looked like they had even a prayer of winning?? RBR didn't even win one until vettel joined them. You vettel hating bigots are simply ridiculous, full stop. Vettel is the real deal and you will spend the next 10 years of your life fully constipated about becuase you can't just accept it and move on.

LOL!!!! Another Blonde Turd fanboy suffering from from both kinds of diarrhoea.

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Originally Posted by ioan

So much rubbish. You're getting desperate now that Vettel blew Hamy into the weeds and destroyed any trace of self confidence that Lewis 'sliced bread' Hamilton ever had.
Heck, even Button is looking down on him right now.

Let's wait when Blonde Turd does not have a car that is 1 second per lap faster than that of Hamilton's and we'll see how cocky blonde turd and his fanboys then will be.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

Where did he say that the Red Bull was not the best car? Are you claiming that because he thinks Seb, Lewis and Alonso are capable of winning in a car other than the best car, then he feels that the Mercedes is the best car on the grid?

You are arguing with Blonde Turd fanboys, they have no sense of reality and are driven by extreme fanboy feelings, you cannot reason with them.

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

Vettel would have been 3x world champion if they immediately carted him over to RBR from STR in 2008. DC was just a waste of a seat and Webber's criticism in 2007, "It's kids isn't it... kids with not enough experience – they do a good job and then they **** it all up" of Vettel has come back to bite him in the butt.

It was only the fault of Blonde Turd that he ruined what was clearly the best car in 2009 and didnt take the title with it.

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Originally Posted by Dave B

Horner mentioned that after Vettel's tyre failure in Abu Dhabi he joined them on the pitwall. Not for a casual chat, but to thoroughly immerse himself in how the team make strategy decisions and monitor the data flowing to them. He'll have gleaned a valuable insight into the workings of the team which might, one day in the future, be the difference between winning or losing a race.

A lesser driver might have gone for an icecream...

Truly stupid stupid example.

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