Government is evil...

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Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight

Still waiting for Bumdell to back up his post that they were sick rather than bad.

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I don't know why I bother to dignify you with a response, but if you read back a few posts you will find that another member did so for me. In Malbec's words, 'In terms of psychiatric problems and personality disorders MOST people cannot be cured, and people with these problems form the bulk of mass-murderers etc.

Trying to understand how and why people commit these crimes is essential if any attempt is to be made to identify them before the crimes are commited. Seeking the root cause helps do this.

Simply labelling them as 'bad' might be easy for people to understand but does nothing to help solve the problem.'

That sums up my view perfectly.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I don't know why I bother to dignify you with a response, but if you read back a few posts you will find that another member did so for me. In Malbec's words, 'In terms of psychiatric problems and personality disorders MOST people cannot be cured, and people with these problems form the bulk of mass-murderers etc.

Trying to understand how and why people commit these crimes is essential if any attempt is to be made to identify them before the crimes are commited. Seeking the root cause helps do this.

Simply labelling them as 'bad' might be easy for people to understand but does nothing to help solve the problem.'

That sums up my view perfectly.

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As a bed wetting Liberal I'd expect you to think that way.

Guess you'd want them all released as soon as they have hoodwinked some bed wetting Liberal prison shrink too?

They can not be described as sick as that is just folk being too scared to address the problem that some sections of society are just bad.

Oh and committed has two Ts, state educated were you?

No that makes the people who allowed that government to exist to be evil, or incredibly stupid and ignorant.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

First, the term 'evil' is too strong (in most instances of its use, not just this). Second, if government is 'evil', so too are large tracts of the private sector.

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NO but that makes the people who allowed that government to be in power to be either evil, or gullible to the point of being self-centered morons.

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Originally Posted by Malbec

Sorry Rudy but you're artificially choosing what is acceptable to discuss and what is not.

If you are going to discuss the merits of government then it is only natural, even essential to discuss alternative systems. This could be the comparison of government with the lack of government (ie anarchy) or public vs private sector.

Ultimately though the government is not inherently evil or good. It is merely a tool for those who hold power and its effects are merely a reflection of the intention of those people. A car is not inherently good or evil either in much the same way.

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A car is an inanimate object, the analogy is silly.

That ranks with the old " cars are licensed, so guns should be."

The difficulty of obtaining or using either is controlled by governments, first, not the other way around.

Their actions define their description; although, how they are judged, depends on the moral standards of those doing the judging.

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Originally Posted by Malbec

'They' by which I presume you mean governments did indeed bow to public pressure to increase rights which goes counter to your initial claim.

While I am against the reduction of human rights that happened in mnay countries as a response to 9/11 etc etc it would be very unfair to ignore that there was considerable pressure both from the public and media to do something concrete to reduce the chances of further attacks. Therefore whether increasing or decreasing human rights, in the examples you have chosen governments have to some degree tried to reflect public opinion.

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NO-- except, the media proclaims what suits THERE agenda or bias. The media is not the people or related to it.

Then when about the point of good or bad they are bad. How bad they are, often justifies whether or not evil is a good term to describe it.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

NO-- except, the media proclaims what suits THERE agenda or bias. The media is not the people or related to it.

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But there is, I would argue, a very large extent to which public opinion is shaped by the media, thus inextricably interlinking the two.

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Originally Posted by Rudy Tamasz

Wrong. Rights and liberties are something the humankind was born with before any government existed..

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WRONG.

No such thing existed.

Some government use that false standard to give man rights, which works out well for societies at times, but no such thing exists.